And do you think that a pair of front 944 seat belts will fit in the 1984 3.2 rear seat ???

It probably will work if the reel size isn't too big, but make sure the reel will lock when in a horizontal position.

Edit: Whoops, you said 84 Targa, I think those model 84 and after had receptacles for the upper mount, would need to see if the bolt on the reel would fit that upper mounting point.

I did this upgrade and it worked great. Here is a link that describes the process:

http://www.netmotor.de/Bereiche/Zubehoer/Gurte.htm

Sorry it is in German, but the pictures and part numbers still help. I translated it to English by putting the link in Yahoo search. Try this:

http://66.218.71.231/language/translation/translatedPage.php?tt=url&text=http%3a//www.netmotor.de/Bereiche/Zubehoer/Gurte.htm&lp=de_en&.intl=us&fr=FP-tab-web-t

My 81 SC did not have the holes in the deck - so I drilled. Reinforcing the deck mentioned earlier is needed. Large washers will do.

The trickiest parts were:
aligning where to drill the holes because the reels are not separate left and right part numbers. The holes will be positioned asymetrically on the deck. When you get the reels and lay them on the deck you will see what I mean. Just make sure to place both reels on the deck and mark where to drill with a punch before drilling

aligning where to cut the panel for the belt to go through. Patience and a sharp razor knife are needed.

It is a tight fit for an SC panel to go back on with the reels in place. Carrera panels have more height, but you should be OK.

My reels came with plastic clips attached. I did not remove them because they looked like part of the reel. They were transit clips and needed to be removed for the inertia reel to work correctly. I wish I knew this originally!

It was worth it. I can now drive the kids around in safety.

Thank you very much for that link jknapp...very useful for the mod.There is another link for the mod...it is in French but the pics are very good...
http://911carrera.free.fr/article.php?id=28

jknapp,

Great pictures and thank you for the PART numbers.

I'm getting parts together for adding 3 point belts to my 86 Carrera coupe - I confirmed I have the mount points and perforated padding,
and have a place in LA that has belts from an 88 waiting for me...

-Todd:)

SC panel in a targa too tight a fit?
 

jknapp:

Re: installing a rear seat belt in the back of my 81' SC Targa rear shelf

My local mechanic said:



The retractor under the rear deck will require a different rear panel and reforming the deck panel (parcel shelf) because the late model cars that had the retractible belt had a different rear steel parcel shelf. You would have to place the retractor on the top of the shelf.

So should I try to find a top mounting reel?

The 3 point belt will be used on a kids booster seat for a few years so I wonder if a top mounted one would be better?

I bought a set of belts from PEP, but haven't yet installed. I have an 81' SC. From the pics I have seen I have the impression that all Targa's have the 'short' deck? True? The PEP kit contains large washers to go underneath the tray. I'm still not clear on where I am supposed to route the belts...I don't recall getting the hoods pictured in one of the intallations. It appears the PEP kit routes the belts through the front of the rear firewall/parcel tray cover, rather than through the top....

What is the concensus? Do I need to route through the top or front face? Notwithstanding the large washers, do I need to weld in extra support? Do we have any engineers who have calculated the force that the parcel shelf/firewall will withstand when the force of a 60lb kid is being decelerated at 60mph?

What is meant by "the retractor under the rear deck?" Does that mean in some applications the retractor belt is mounted in the engine bay? That seems counter-intuitive, since it would leave an open hole through the firewall to route the belt. Also, if I'm going to remove the rear deck cover, I was considering upgrading the rear speakers as well. Does anyone have recommendations on this?

Thanks in advance to all who respond.

DJC--
"retractor under the rear deck" means under the parcel shelf, mounted to the firewall, not through the firewall. Can only imagine the degradation to the belts by subjecting them to the engine compartment heat.

I think that whether you mount the reels through the front or top of the rear tray depends upon the vehicle. On my '85 I mounted them on top, which is where I think they would go on your '81. When doing mine, I did discover that all 84+ 911s had the mounting points already installed, so I did not need to add reinforcing. Your '81 is pre-rear shoulder belts, so some reinforcement may be necessary. Do a search -- this has been discussed at length and there is very good documentation on others' installations.

DJC911, did you ever get this done? I have a '79 SC Targa I would like to make this mod to but would like to know how it came out on the Targa.

Dave

Rear Seat Belts
 

I have not yet installed my belts...other things have gotten in the way. When I do get it done, I will try to get pics of the process and post them.

I did do a bit of preliminary investigation. I only found a couple of screws to hold in the parcel shelf, but was unable to remove the shelf. It feels like the back end is attached or held in place by the rear window. If I have to take that window out to do the job, I will have to go to a specialist. The rear window is VERY complex and expensive and I don't want to break it or have it not re-seated properly. I have read some of the horror stories about its removal and re-installation in this forum...unfortunately, it will eventually have to come out to (a) replace seals and (b) repaint the car.

Speaking of which, I know this is off-topic, but do any of you live in the Phoenix Metropolitan area and have recommendations for someone who can safely remove and reinstall the rear window? What about painters? Interior installers?

Thanks.

DJC911--
You do NOT (thankfully!) need to remove the rear window to remove the parcel shelf.
There are (were) 4 sheet metal screws that hold the parcel shelf to the VERTICAL portion of the firewall (where the seat backs are) - two high and two low on each side.

In addition, there is a metal 'tongue' on the back of the parcel shelf that helps hold it in position. Once you've removed the four screws, you'll need to push the parcel shelf up then pull it foward. You only need to raise it about an inch or so for the tongue to clear its holder in the firewall.

Disconnect the speaker wires from the speakers and you can then remove the entire shelf to get at the firewall.

I am getting my 82 cab conversion this week... ome task will be to add 3 point rear belts. I can see you guys are getting your belts from PEP and using a few big flat washers and I guess thats fine best I can tell?? Any one have part numbers? Also is there a better combo to use? Will PEP sell the kit including the trim to clean it up after install? Any thoughts are welcome... I remember a long time ago there was a tool that would allow you to drill a hole in steel and upi could insert a threadded plud and pop it in there close to the same way you could put in a pop rivit.... I am looking for it now?? I think it was a snapon tool???

thanks guys

Any ideas for a near factory look would be great, and if you guys have a kit ready to go or parts please PM me.

:)

I ended up using Don Jackson Enterprises to do the install. As far as I know, they simply drilled a hole in the metal and ran the bolt through with a large washer and nut on the engine-side of the firewall/parcel shelf.

If you have a cab, the process may be very different.

I will tell you that if you have a "short" deck (I think this applies to later cars and to targas) you may find that the parcel shelf does not sit high enough above the firewall to allow the seatbelt mechanism to sit beneath it cleanly. Mine looks pretty good, but the rear of the shelf sits higher now (probably less than 1"), so it isn't a perfect "factory" installation. But, particularly in my case, because the rear window is tinted dark and the interior is black, you really cannot tell. It looks good and more importantly, it gives my kids added safety when they ride back there.

Did you by any chance have a few pics?would like to see the install both inside and out (underneath)...

:)