911 vs 912???

[markmaunz]

`Every one knows the big difference between the 911 and the 912 is the 6 or the 4 cylinder engine. There probably was a different tranny, but can anyone tell me the other differences were between the two cars??? Steering differences, sway bars, torsion bars, suspension differences. Weight, trannys, wiring, brakes, power options like power windows, door locks, ect are all things I like to know about. Thanks, Mark

[pjv911]

Porsche offered all the same options to buyers of both cars . 912 cars tend to be about 200lbs lighter and better balanced . However they are not nearly as fast . Also outside of standard gear ratios the transmissions are exactly the same and are interchangeable . Ive seen 911 cars come without a front sway bar and have seen 912 cars come with them . So it was all reletive to the buyers taste or wallet when ordered new.

Kurt Williams

[ricochet]

pjv told ya, and put it as correct as possible. My cousin, buys sells and tortures Porsches (for 40 years). I asked that question to him 30 years back, he said "same car, just slower". And as a big block chevy has more power, it has more weight. Changes things, less weight makes maybe better handling, more engine makes more power. If still near a balance, I'll take more power in the porsche, more reliability in the Chevy. Both great choices, but just different. Mostly, nothing comes free.

[markmaunz]

If I buy a 912 and put a 3.6 and a 915 would everything work? What should I look for in a 912 that would be a plus??? Mark

[Dantilla]

The 1976 912E already has the 911's engine mounting brackets located at the rear corners of the engine compartment. I believe the earlier 912s would need to have these welded in.

About the only other differences (in 1976) were that the 912's rear windows were fixed, and the rotors were solid, where the 911 had vented rotors.

what to look for? RUST!

[dimps8]

The only difference is the old flat for left over from the 356 days. The 912 was meant to be the transition model between the 356 and the newer 911. The engine is a good 5 inches shorter and lighter so weight is better distributed. Most of us rebuild the four with larger P/C's and high compression. Good for about 65 hp/ltr. When the thing only weighs 2095lbs. they are alot of fun.

[Aussie]

No fuchs, basic gauges (3 instead of 5), no head rests.

Everything could be optioned up though.

[Hoffman912]

aussie.. youre pretty far off.

64-67 911 and 912 had 3 gauges. 67 up had 5. in all 912 and 911.
68 up it was mandatory that they had headrests by law. 911s didnt have head rests prior to 68 either..

911 came with steel wheels as standard wheels.. so did the 912. fuchs were an option. hell fuchs didnt come along until 67.. and they werent standard on the 911 when they came out either.

and yes.. everything could be optiond. all it took was buying the option.. if you had the money, they would put it on the car for you, no matter what model.


other differences include brakes..911S had S brakes... 912 did not.. ive never heard of anyone buying that option from the factory so if its out there (im sure they would at least be a few who got them on their 912).. well lets just say it would be rare find to have that.

[Hoffman912]

ps.. if you wanna know about the 912 check out

www.912bbs.org

and

www.912registry.org

[DavidI]

In my old '67 912, I put an 1835 cc VW engine with dual 40 IDF Webers. It was a screamer and a whole lot of fun! At one time, I had a Mazda RX-7 (13B) engine rear mounted. I could not get it to cool quite right and was going to have to do some cutting and mods. I decided against it.

After I drove my '83SC, there was no comparison between the two. 16 years of technology is incredible.

[smarjoram]

Don't forget the 912 doesn't have the wide wheel arches at the rear. You might struggle to fit big enough wheels for a 3.6 under them.

[pjv911]

911-912 have the same wheel arches .


Kurt Williams

[masraum]

I've heard that there are lots of little parts that aren't shared with the 911. I don't know, maybe those are engine and fuel system parts which, of course, would be different.

[smarjoram]

I mean the flares that were added in the 70's on the carrera RS and 3.0 carrera onwards.

[304065]

Why do all the 1966-1968 cars seem to be 912s?

Does anyone (Harry?) know the production volume for 912s during those years?

Maybe it's because all the early 911's were cut up into Miami Vice pimpmobiles?

[COLDBASS]

Originally posted by Dantilla
The 1976 912E already has the 911's engine mounting brackets located at the rear corners of the engine compartment. I believe the earlier 912s would need to have these welded in.

About the only other differences (in 1976) were that the 912's rear windows were fixed, and the rotors were solid, where the 911 had vented rotors.

what to look for? RUST!

The E 915 is not quite identical as the final ratio is unique and the mainshaft is different as well...IMHO, in stock format they are underpowered (compared to a 6). Few exceptions, of course anything with a Jake Raby Type IV, and John Bentons '69 .

[Dantilla]

Yes, they're underpowered. But a 3.6 transplant should take care of that.

[david c.]

The 912 has also somehow managed to avoid the SCCA's anti Porsche bias in Solo II classification. Where older 911's are clearly outclassed in Stock and Street Prepared classes, the 912/912E is in the very bottom classes (HS and FSP) and with the aforesaid balance, make for real ringers if driven well.

I've often thought a well-sorted 69 912 coupe with a SP prepared T4 from a 912E would be a killer FSP car.

[Jeff Jagusch]

Just incase someone is considering this conversion, I have a pair of NOS rear mounts that need to be welded into the shell and the others removed. the mounts are VERY eary to weld in place as they located themselves in the corners of the engine compartment.

I would sell them for $125 for the pair.

Jeff

[Hoffman912]

Originally posted by john_cramer
Why do all the 1966-1968 cars seem to be 912s?

Does anyone (Harry?) know the production volume for 912s during those years?

Maybe it's because all the early 911's were cut up into Miami Vice pimpmobiles?

at work now, will give production nos when i get home.

i know for sure that more 912s were made than 911s until 67 or 68.. im sure that has alot to do with it.