To R or not to R
 

Hi,
This is Richard Wartenberg.
Eric McKenna posted a few shots of my kids a couple of months ago...


Anyhow...
I've got a '70 E. It's been in the family since '72 and I've had it for 3+ years now.

VERY strong 2.2, and still "fairly" stock car, with upgraded front brakes and bilstein suspension.

I like the fact that it's got a roll bar and door pockets, although conceptually they seem to contradict each other. Anybody (everybody??) understand???

It's still got the heat exchangers and I like that too, I still like to drive in the fall, spring and certain nice days in the winter...

I am ADDICTED to the R Gruppe look and concept !!

I am thinking of adding R tail lights and megaphone exhaust (to the heat exchangers)

Here's a few pics. The fuchs are 6.5", the cookie cutters are 7" for track tires, the b&w is an old photo of my aunt racing on steelies back in the day...

What do you all think???

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1102718535.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1102718561.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1102718577.jpg

Looks sweet. After seeing your wheels, I think I'm going to paint my cookie cutters all black, that way they don't really look like cookie cutters.

Hi Richard. Is that Tangerine?

I like the steelies look, just get those steel wheels widen and lower it.

I think fuch wheels looks best.

colours
 

The current paint is a "bit" of a mystery...

It isn't the original, you can see the original under some chips in it.
In some light it does look slightly orange-ish but 99% of the time just real red. Definately NOT guards red though!

I like the Fuchs look better too. Only I got the 7" set of 4 cutters for $150. If any of you have a set of 7" Fuchs for $150 stick 'em in the mail to me now and you'll have your cash tomorrow!

I think the gloss black cookie cutter look is at least kind of aggressive looking. If I could use white shoe polish or paint on the letters of the tires I think it might look better though.

Any ideas?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1102732548.jpg

another color
 

If you Andy Warhol it the color gets real neat !!!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1102732938.jpg

An early car whose history you know (in the family) within a couple of years of its manufacture is freaking priceless, IMHO. My vote is do anything you want that involves bolt-on components - light assy's, bumpers, engine lids, wheels, RS door panels, lexan glass, whatever.

Just save the original parts and try not to whack it too hard... so it can be brought back to OEM spec.

Beautiful car...

I would go with a sport muffler instead of megaphones, at least for the street. The sport muffler is still *way* loud!

-Wayne

Which
 

Which sport muffler do you recommend?

There's quite a few and you can spend anywhere from sane to ludicrous amounts of money on it. (and it's still just a muffler)

I'm definately not after just being LOUD, but the 2-in 2-out in the center sounds WAY better than my stock Leistritz.

What is the downside to megaphones? Just insane - loud?

I haven't heard them personally but I'm told they sound awesome...

Phase 9 Mufflers by Jerry Woods

Megaphones are usually used, like you said, straight off the HE's. That's straight out pipes! No muffler. CAPISCE?

I don't think you want that. Maybe you'd like something like this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1083381226.jpg

Phase 9 with cross chamber (muffler of sorts)

http://www.beadform.com/images/911_small.gif

IMHO - You can't beat that first pic, beautiful with the fuchs, sans front bumper guards. I'd leave it alone except for race day.

yes
 

OOOoooooo Zeke, now I kinda like THAT !
:D

hhmmmm
 

Hey Zeke...

Just downloaded the pdf catalog from smart racing and took a look at Jerry Woods stuff...

I thought you meant that first photo was the phase 9, but I'm now thinking you meant the 2nd smaller photo is headers to phase 9 to the muffler (cross chamber), am I right??

What is the muffler in the first photo?
Doesn't appear to be JWE???

Phase 9 is a bit pricey for what I'm after right now, also looks like the phase 9 is mainly built for headers and I want to keep my HE(s), maybe I'm off on that.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1102772877.jpg

Who in their right mind would make a pristine 2.2E look like a 911R? (joke)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1090871421.jpg

Who's your aunt, Denise Mcluggage?

Unless you are racing the megaphones will be too loud. I have a sport muffler that works great.

Nice car!

monty muffler

sounds good , not too loud

pic of monty on my '71 911

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1102785703.jpg

I agree completely. It is tantamount to a family heirloom. Pass that pristine example down to those nice kids as is. Wait till you can afford someone else's old beater to build an R/RS from.

Stoney

I like the monty. Mine weighs 17 lbs. (twin cow horn style outlets). It is throaty but not too loud. The mb911 muffler weghs 15 lbs. but is apparently pretty loud.

the stock mufflers are much heavier.

Rich,
Hwy man glad to see you active on the board....
Lemme tel ya what I'd do.. I'll come down with my drill,heatgun, scraper and other goodies and we'll have that bad bot LIGHTEr than an R. :) hahahah no.. I am messing I love your car the way it is.. I would do as many have said.. do what ya like as long as it doesn't make the car unable to be returned to it's OE self.
I I'd just get a DANSK 2 in 2 out like I have the old Sport exhaust... the same one Dave C . ( aka MEAT STICK) and I have..
Post some more pic's of that car for the guys to see and post some video of the AX's .:) Ciao Rich..

Eric McKennaSmileWavy