mid engine 911???

[935PROJECT]

Does anyone have some detailed pics of 911's? I think it would be cool to make my next 911 mid engine. Yes I know I need to build a cage and everything but Idon;t think a complete tube frame would be necessary... I think it would be possible to get enough air in there for it to work. any ideas/pics?

[86 911]

Dave,

Welcome to the board!

What kind of pics do you need? The members of this board have all sorts of pics. What year 911 do you have? May you post us some pics of your 911? It is a tradition on this board to do so.



Oh yeah, use the search function to find pics or information.

[Ed Bighi]

It's been done twice. Once by Fabcar and once by Gunnar. The cars were pretty good. Since Porsche made 3.8's back in those days, the IMSA rules dictated that an air-cooled vehicle running in GTU (precursor class to GT3) could run up to a 3.8 liter motor. At the time, Job was already campaigning a rear-engine tube-framed 911 being driven by, then IMSA owner, Charlie Slater. Even with Slater running the IMSA show, consensus only allowed a max of 3.2 liters for tube-framed air-cooled cars. This was the same case with the Fabcar mid engine car. Though Haywood managed to win with it at the Glen. I think these mids and tubes were probably hurt by the smaller displacement limit. Even with whatever gains were achieved by the mid-engine layout. There is a big difference between a 3.2 and a 3.8 when NA. But one can assume that if a 3.8 had lived in the middle, things would have been different. There were a lot of what if's back then. Like what if Mark Mehallic's 993 carrera 4-based 3.8 rsr if it hadn't been totalled so soon. Or if GT2's had been allowed to run in GT2 when they were launched. Or if GT2's had been allowed to run with the restrictors in the intake instead of in front of the turbos.

Those were great times since there was a mix of brand new 993 rsr's and older 964 rsr's rand against some old tube-framed 911's that had been running since the eighties like Jack Lewis's. Then there were a couple of buddies of mine who ran 993-bodied 930's with 3.8's, carbs and 930 4-speeds and managed to make it to the top 10. And of course, a mid-engined 911 or two. Or the Enzo Calderari/Lilian Bryner 964 which kept winning Daytona even deep into the 993 era. All this action with some GT2 evolutions whizzing by. All 911's, but yet, all so different in configuration. Yeah, things were a lot more colorful in those days of not so long ago. The days before folks started running either a gt3, gt3, gt3, gt3, gt3, gt3, gt3, gt3, gt3, gt3,zzzzzzzzz. Oh sorry, I must have fallen asleep.

Anyway, I think there is some lengthening required to build a mid. I don't know if Facar lengthened. I know Gunnar did theirs. Here is a picture of Fabcar's. It looked pretty cool in 964 configuration as well. I have never read or heard about cooling issues in those cars. I guess NACA ducting did the job.

[Bill Verburg]

Don't forget that the factory GT1s were mid engine