Speeding ticket,not fair

yasir · 06-08-2005, 08:02 PM

Took my Porsche while going shopping out of town,minding my own business and all of a sudden the laser warning on V1 ( E ) came on,looked around nothing so i kept going.Any way 15 minutes later the laser warning came on again and i still didn't see anything except this black flat bed in the rear view mirror about 10-15 cars length behind me.By this time i noticed he was coming up real fast and since there wasn't any traffic at all i decided to gain some distance on him & increased my speed to 80 but he kept coming after me until he overtook me and then suddenly he slowed down so i had to i pass him.
By now we are approaching a hill so i slowed down,moved into the right lane and suddenly to my surprise i see a trooper in the median ( waiting for me )

who immediately made a turn and pulled me over.
To cut the long story short i got a ticket for doing 84/65

and he also told me the guy in the black truck was a trooper too

So my questions are:
1)-If he was a trooper himself why didn't he pull me over ?
2)-Laser is not reliable from a moving car at all,so why did he use that and can it not be contested ?
3)-There's no mention of laser/radar on the ticket except speeding and if i go to the court aren't both of them suppose to show up ?
So pelicans what do you all think about this ticket, was it fair for that vigilante to notify the trooper ? Should i presume he did that out of jealousy from my guards red wide ass Porsche

randywebb · 06-08-2005, 08:14 PM

he was coming up real fast and since there wasn't any traffic at all i decided to gain some distance on him

- there is your defense -- with his poor brakes you knew it was unsafe for him to tail gate you like that

- you'll need to hire a lawyer

930slant · 930slant's Garage

Pay it... move on... you were speeding and got caught.

Zeke · 06-08-2005, 08:27 PM

Is there a full moon or something? All these weird stories today. What kind of deal is this? Some kind of entrapment? I guess that's not the word for it.

Weird is.

randywebb · 06-08-2005, 08:40 PM

He'll want to claim it's entrapment, but will prob. lose on that one.

For some reason, the police in the south always try to be real clever... not sure why, but that sort of stuff has been going on for decades...

serge944 · serge944's Garage

Heres a joke for ya:

A guy gets pulled over and says, "Didn't you see that other guy...he was going at least as fast as I was."
Officer questions, "Ever go fishing?"
"Yes."
"Ever catch all the fish?"

Hayabusa · Hayabusa's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by 930slant
Pay it... move on... you were speeding and got caught.

That is the funniest thing I have read on this site.

Never admit guilt.

Get a good attorney and move on!

copper · copper's Garage

Let me get this straight.

Your detector goes off, you don't "see" anything, so you keep going.

Goes off again, and there's a black flatbed coming up fast on you, so you speed up.

You're making this up right?

(No real offense meant here, the smiley just seemed to fit.)

Really though, that sucks. I'd be surprised if it was jealousy on the Troopers part. It was probably more the fact you were speeding.

With the initial troopers observations, and the second troopers verification with radar, you're most likely toast.

If the trooper in the flatbed was driving a state vehicle, his evidence of a "paced speed" would most likely hold up even if you beat the radar.

I believe there's no harm in trying though. Worst is, you pay the fine. (unless your judiciary gets pissed off about guilty people trying to fight tickets). Maybe the Trooper won't show, maybe you can meet with the prosecutor and bargain it down.

You can roll over and play dead, but we expect a lot of people to at least attempt to get out of a ticket. The reality is, they suck. We know it, and we wouldn't want one either. If I got one, I'd try to get out of it too. Don't need to spend the money or lose points.

Your best bet is to attempt a bargain for reduced penalty if the prosecutors in your area do this.

Good luck
Jim

Hayabusa · Hayabusa's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by copper
[B] but we expect a lot of people to at least attempt to get out of a ticket.

Does 'copper' = cop?

randywebb · 06-08-2005, 10:34 PM

Traffic laws are (usually) strict liability (like pollution laws), so it doesn't make it legal.

If the closing speed/tail gating of the truck would have caused an accident, or if a rasonable person would have thought so, then the judge may well greatly reduce the fine or just toss the ticket out.

It is not clear from the posting if that was the case. But if I saw a large flat bed truck coming up fast behind me, I'd try to prevent it...

island911 · 06-08-2005, 10:37 PM

. . . and how is it legal for cops to speed in big POS trucks ....all under the guise of safety?

Something about a flatbed truck being used to chase down purpose built sportscars... "Safety" . ."trained proffesionals"

yeah, it wasn't it was jealousy on the Troopers part. It was probably more the fact you were speeding. . . Flatbed chasedown truck to the rescue. Just be thankful he was there to save you from yourself AND protect the rest of the motoring public.

"84 in a 65" you crazy lawbreaker. Don't you feel that you DESERVE to pay?

Wavey · 03:18 AM

You've had a fun couple of days, haven't you Yasir? Maybe getting your garage door open wasn't such a good idea.

Had I been in the same situation I would have felt COMPELLED to do the same thing. There's a guy driving in a menacing manner, in a vehicle that definitely outweighs yours and certainly doesn't brake as well as yours. Your only concern, given that there is no other traffic around, is to get the Hell away from him. If that's not ENTRAPMENT I don't know what is. The judge should fine the pair of them for creating a dangerous situation. What a couple of a$$wipes.

I would definitely get a lawyer and fight it.

strother · 06-09-2005, 03:56 AM

That doesn't sound fair at all to me. Nonetheless, as a lawyer (civil litigation, not criminal) I am constantly baffled by clients who want to pay me lots of money to try to make life fair. As my mom and dad always told me, no one said life is fair. If the impact on your insurance rate and pocket book is low, don't waste your time, sanity, and money fighting a likely losing battle.

What I'm saying is don't hire a lawyer. Show up yourself. Plead not guilty. Ask for a trial. Hope the troopers don't show up. If they do, take the stand and tell your side of the story. Be ready to examine the troopers that do show up, and hope for the best.

yasir · 05:43 AM

930 slant,
Yes i was speeding never denied that but didn't like the way i was given the ticket
Zeke,
Looked and nope it wasn't the full moon,weird isn't it

serge944,
Next time i'll be careful and hopefully won't bite the bait again

Copper,
My question was,how reliable is the laser from a moving car,not reliable at all,right ? I am not too sure if the second trooper actually clocked me or not but one thing for sure he was definately and anxiously awaiting for me in the median with probably the biggest grin ever on his face

The whole scene reminded me of a tiger sitting calmly behind a bush waiting for this gazelle who is coming ever so slowly towards him not knowing he'll be toast in a minute.I wish i had thought about the black truck as a source of Laser and trust me i'll be very careful next time

Island911,
Agree but if it wasn't for that truck i would have never gone past 77-78
Wavey,
Yeah i agree with you,opening the garage door surely wasn't the greatest idea ( remember i am not as smart as some of you guys

)
Strother,
Agreed it's not worth fighting the ticket and since i never had a speeding ticket in my home state,i definately qualify for deferred programing where you pay $50 to the county attorney's office and if you don't get any ticket for next 6 months then this citation is taken never goes on your ecord.
Later, Yasir

Joeaksa · 05:28 AM

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Originally posted by Hayabusa
That is the funniest thing I have read on this site.

Never admit guilt.

Get a good attorney and move on!

Once again, he admitted speeding, got caught and now someone is suggesting that he fight it?

What ever happened with personal responsibility??? Do you guys tell your kids that its ok to lie to people? Please tell me the difference in this and going to court, saying that I was not going 85 in a 65 (when you were) and wasting everyone's time fighting the ticket????

Next time this happens go the speed limit or pull over and let the truck go by. Its a lot cheaper than the ticket and points!

JoeA

(No, I am not a cop or even ex-cop. Just get really tired of people admitting that they did something wrong or illegal and then trying to fight it. We have enough problems in our court system now without it getting futher clogged up with guilty people trying to scam the system.)

Wavey · 05:42 AM

Joe, I think the issue is not that he was speeding, but that the police, acting in a really dangerous manner, created a situation in which the safest thing for Yasir to do was to separate himself from the black truck. Granted, he could have backed off and gone 40 MPH, but who's to say the truck wouldn't do the same thing. For all Yasir knew this was some idiot looking for trouble. The only purpose of these two yayhoos was to goad him into speeding so they could write him a ticket. I think that's really stupid and dangerous on their part, and I think they should be called on it and forced to explain their behavior in front of a judge.

There is such a thing as "extenuating circumstances", which is a reasonable arguement to use here. And there is such a thing as "entrapment", which I definitely believe the police used.

osidak · 06-09-2005, 05:46 AM

Many years ago I was driving at night. Had a car come up on me fast with his bright lights on. I may have been 5 to 10 over the limit. I signaled and moved right so they could pass. The car moved in behind me.

I slowed down so they would pass. Hate being hit with bright lights for no damn reason. He slowed with me and got right up on my bump to the point I could barely see his head lights.

Thinking I got a loon behind me I speed up to move away from him. He follows. I signal to get off at the next exit and he blue lights me.

Had 3 people in the car with me. My lawyer got me off. Was going to get hit for 78 in a 55.

masraum · 06-09-2005, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by Wavey
Your only concern, given that there is no other traffic around, is to get the Hell away from him.

It seems to me the answer would be "pull over and let the dangerous vehicle pass," not, "gun it to 100."

Just bad luck and poor judgement.

Grab a local lawyer and see how you do. You should be able to hire one for less than the price of the ticket.

Slider79SC · Slider79SC's Garage

I got pulled over last weekend by a state trooper for 60 in a 50.... Kind of petty because I think they were more looking for the seatbelt law that they are enforcing heavily here.

Had my brother in law in the passenger seat and he IS A COP, he told me to tell the trooper that he would take care of it but I told him no because I was speeding and that I shouldn't get off just because he is a cop. Not trying to be a goody two shoes, just accepting the responsibility that I was speeding. The trooper let me off with a warning....

Accept responsibility that you were speeding in the first place but at least tell the judge that you thought the cops actions were dangerous.

yelcab1 · 06-09-2005, 07:06 AM

1)-If he was a trooper himself why didn't he pull me over ?

Some state law require the trooper to be wearing uniforms and driving marked cars before they can enforce traffic laws. Makes sense, why would you stop just because a flatbed driver tells you to stop?

2)-Laser is not reliable from a moving car at all,so why did he use that and can it not be contested ?
Not true, this is done all the times.

3)-There's no mention of laser/radar on the ticket except
speeding and if i go to the court aren't both of them suppose to show up ?
Yup, they have to show up and testify. If the first guy does not , then the second guy is just giving hearsay evidence, inadmissable in court. If the first guy shows up, you get to ask him why/how/when/with what the flatbed makes a good pacing vehicle. Or, if his radar is calibrated, used legally or illegally on his unofficial truck.

Lastly, unmarked cars chasing you down, intimidating you to the point where you were speeding up trying to get away from him, and so glad to see the next trooper that you stop to report him. That is called entrapment. The law enforcement agency is not supposed to do anything to entice you into illegal activities that you otherwise would not have done.