Tango Spotted: All Points Bulletin

[Par911]

Be on the lookout for a "Mountain Man" . Last I heard he was headed back to his cave in the mountains to play with his "shark".



His Porsche aliases are "Hung Dong", "Sharp Shooter", and "Shark Tamer".

If anyone has seen this wiseguy, let him know Johnny Law is coming for 'em...............MUHAHAHAHAHAHA


Oh and for the record I prefer playing with Trixies, not dollies.

[jpnovak]

Dam redlight cameras...

I guess that wasn't you pulling the tow dolly...

[VaSteve]

Oh $hit. That's funny....it's expensive to own a Porsche. LOL

[}{arlequin]

ha ha ha... it's even funnier since it's his 2nd one! LOL

is it for speeding or running lights?

[HardDrive]

Interesting that you don't get points for the ticket. I guess that does make it a bit less irritating. Frankly, $50 ain't to bad for a 10-15mph over. Now if someone with an accurate .22 could just find that camera and.......

[}{arlequin]

is that the 50-yard line???

seriously, what kind of a road is this?
(looks like you're driving down a concrete football field)

[efhughes3]

Big Brother. I truly didn't know there were speed cameras in the US. Wait 'til the Feds put GPS in new cars.....

[kycarguy 935]

They sell some invisible spray that you can cover your plate with so the speed camera's cant read it. We could have used a case of it for our delivery guys at the company I use to work for in So. Cal.

[82SC]

running a red light in Los angeles will cost you 380...yes 380

MJ

[randywebb]

too bad that spray doesn't work...

I'm all for getting people for running red lights (stopping and looking around for 200 seconds to make sure no cars are w/in 1/2 mile on Sunday morning does not count). There are too many dead bicyclists and pedestrians from red light runners. makes me want to be a prosecutor....

But this was for speeding...

Write a letter to the Court and ask for a full or partial refund -explain about your car and that if you were speeding you were just trying to get it before it was stripped by thieves.

[TerryH]

If those are the only 3 views of the vehicle, I don't understand how they can ticket you. Anyone could be driving. When a ticket is written, it is handed to the driver - against the driver, not attached to the vehicle. Maybe that's why they say "no points against you".

Cameras in the LA area photograph the driver in addition to the vehicle.

[ChrisBennet]

Originally posted by TerryH
If those are the only 3 views of the vehicle, I don't understand how they can ticket you. Anyone could be driving. When a ticket is written, it is handed to the driver - against the driver, not attached to the vehicle. Maybe that's why they say "no points against you".

Cameras in the LA area photograph the driver in addition to the vehicle.

Ah Terry, when I was a callow youth I too believed in that sort of thing (innocent until proven guilty, right to face your accuser, cops wouldn't lie in order to give a ticket, etc). (Thankfully I don't have any first hand experience with that sort of thing.)
-Chris

[randywebb]

They just write up a new law to make the owner responsible - it's even on that citation he posted.

Remember -- it's an infraction -- not a crime -- so you have fewer rights. The fiction is that they have no idea the insurance companies are going to screw you over... it's just $50, etc. etc.

If you raise enough ruckus then you can get things changed sometimes. Two cases in point: In Oregon the idea to make school speed zone limits in effect all the time - even at 3 am - is going to be changed back to the way it was. Second, the anarchists in my town got the electric company to put in underground electric lines in their neighborhood(!) Everytime the company tried to trim the very old maple tree branches, they rioted. So the company has no cut policy and announced it will put lines undergound instead. I'm told they charge $10,000 per house to do this in other parts of town.
So far, my efforts to get the elderly grandmothers in my neighborhood to riot have been unsuccessful...

[TerryH]

Originally posted by ChrisBennet
Ah Terry, when I was a callow youth I too believed in that sort of thing (innocent until proven guilty, right to face your accuser, cops wouldn't lie in order to give a ticket, etc). (Thankfully I don't have any first hand experience with that sort of thing.)
-Chris

My youthdom left at least 20 years ago. Funny, how the older you are, the term youth could be mean someone in the 30's or even later.

I'm not saying the truck wasn't speeding. I'm asking how do they know who was driving and who should receive the ticket? A neighbor could have borrowed his truck or he even could say it was stolen and recovered. Do they just arbitrarily send a ticket to the registered owner, when he may in fact have no involvement in this ticket whatsoever? Guilt by association per se?

If someone borrows my truck and only the truck is photographed running a light, am I supposed to turn him in or pay the fine myself? If he denies borrowing my truck, then what? I'm seeing more and more cameras at intersections, but don't how the courts deal with all the issues.

[DaveE]

Originally posted by TerryH
My youthdom left at least 20 years ago. Funny, how the older you are, the term youth could be mean someone in the 30's or even later.

I'm not saying the truck wasn't speeding. I'm asking how do they know who was driving and who should receive the ticket? A neighbor could have borrowed his truck or he even could say it was stolen and recovered. Do they just arbitrarily send a ticket to the registered owner, when he may in fact have no involvement in this ticket whatsoever? Guilt by association per se?

If someone borrows my truck and only the truck is photographed running a light, am I supposed to turn him in or pay the fine myself? If he denies borrowing my truck, then what? I'm seeing more and more cameras at intersections, but don't how the courts deal with all the issues.

You're still living under the illusion that you have rights and justice is fair.................... Leap into the 21st Century!

[TerryH]

Originally posted by DaveE
You're still living under the illusion that you have rights and justice is fair.................... Leap into the 21st Century!

Sorry, I'll keep my illusions to myself from now on.

[randywebb]

Good thought, Noah - but they're too smart for that. many are ex-professors -- I'll think of something tho.

TerryH -- read my post above. The owner is responsible. That is their involvement in the ticket. The Constitution does not prevent them from doing this (unless you are reading something there that I can't find). If it is stolen, you might have an argument.
- There are two options:
1. Political -- you get the legislature to rescind the law
2. "Acting out of Doors" -- You riot or surreptitiously destroy the things or render them inoperable. This is obviously illegal - hence my anarchist story above - but it sometimes works. So, if you are sufficiently motivated, you can organize a tea party...

[TerryH]

- the ticket above reads that "the registered owner is liable for payment...... unless the vehicle was not in the custody of the owner at the time of the infraction."

So the driver is responsible, not necessarily the registered owner. Someone has to place the owner behind the wheel for him to be liable.

[DaveE]

I didn't mean to sound harsh, Terry. I agree with you. We slowly let our rights deteriorate in this country. Instead of probable cause we have random police stops, all in the name of ridding the streets of drunk drivers, a noble goal that shortcuts the Constitution. We lock up US citizens without due process by labeling them 'enemy combatants'. Sure, who wants another WTC attack but again, there's that damn Constitution. There was a joke about Iraq writting their own constitution and one politician says to the other, "Let's just give them ours, we're not using it anymore".

[drums]

Here, in the 'People's Republic of California', they take a picture of the driver's face and include it in the ticket. This way, you can go after uncle
Harry or Aunt Wanda for the infraction.
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