This 72T on ebay is Purrrfect......

svonkampen · 08-04-2005, 09:10 PM

Wow,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Porsche-911-T_W0QQitemZ4566357709QQcategoryZ10156QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

SvK

svonkampen · 08-04-2005, 09:31 PM

Ckeck it out.........bid is at 25.000$..........

"This 911 "T" with 35K original miles is arguably the best original in existence with excellent oringinal paint, interior and drivetrain. This 911T's history is well documented with the original window sticker and extensive service records from new. The body shows very little wear from new and required only minimal detailing to make it spectacular. We have just completed a motor out service and the complete detail of the engine bay. The interior is original and leatherette is the best we have seen, it couldn't be duplicated. If you want a truly collectable early 911 this is it, this is the color and rare options sure to appreciate.
VIN: 9112101591"

Porsche_monkey · 08-05-2005, 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by SoCal911SC
Anyone else notice how direct links to eBay auctions don't seem to work anymore?!?

This direct link won't work for me.

Pristine car though.

deathpunk dan · 08-05-2005, 04:51 AM

I dunno
There's a kid on here in RI with a mint and 40somethingK original mileage 71 T Targa...I saw it the other day.

Both cars are very impressive.

72doug2,2S · 72doug2,2S's Garage

drool!

targa911S · 08-05-2005, 05:48 AM

WOW!!!

livi · 08-05-2005, 06:38 AM

Hmmm, is it just a reflexion of light or is that inner door handle metal ? Thought original would be same crappy plastic I have.

pwd72s · 08-05-2005, 06:59 AM

This car underwent a discussion on the S registry board some time ago...it's a relisting. It's also not all it's cracked up to be. As I pointed out over on the registry board, 1972 cars should have a BLACK painted engine surround, flecks of Original color showing through...and this is only one thing "wrong". If the Seller gets the price he wants for this car, I guess I'd better up the insured value of mine, since the general collector market concensus these days is that an "S" is a doubling of a "T" price.

RallyJon · 08-05-2005, 07:05 AM

Here's how to post an Ebay link that works:

1) Find the auction number in the upper right corner of the auction page. In this case it's "4566357709".

2) Paste that number into the ebay search field and hit enter.

3) Ebay will take you back to the auction, but with the correct, permanent URL:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4566357709

Jeff Higgins · 08-05-2005, 08:26 AM

Nice car. Right off the bat, though, the exhaust looks wrong. Looks like some Flowmaster installation or something.

pwd72s · 08-06-2005, 09:12 AM

Bursch, I believe...the cheapest aftermarket exhaust...and NOT tuned for MFI cars. I'm betting this one drives out with a flat spot at around 3500 revs. Freeway cruising speed range. That can be fixed, tho...in this case it's the price. Rumor has it the reserve is in the high 40's...

dtw · 12:00 PM

This is the $40k T that sold on eBay a few months ago, there was also an extensive discussion here on Pelican.

The buyers (local to me) brought the car over to my shop (not MY shop, but the shop I frequent) for a 'sorting out' and engine bay detailing. The motor was stripped to the long block and everything was gone over. All parts were in breathtakingly good condition, with paint marks still on the case fasteners, immaculate air shroud, zero rust or corrosion. Parts were powder coated (in a color and luster remarkably matched to the original paint on the tinware) and zinc dichromate plated as applicable. New stainless heat exchangers were installed, though I don't recall what muffler that is...certainly not stock. Not sure why.

I had a lot of "words" about painting the engine bay in body color (which was done at the shop, it WAS black upon arrival). My sentiments were shared, but it was specifically requested that the bay be sprayed body color. Not sure why, and I would always stick with original treatment on such a wonderful car, but it really does look better than black!! In fact, it convinced me to shoot my bay in silver now while my car is out for paint...it is an easily reversible decision (well, sorta) and it is fine with me for my "90%" original car. I digress...

Last I heard, the car was already re-sold to a private party, so I am not sure why it is back on eBay. Perhaps the sale fell through. The purchase price as we know from the eBay listing was $40k, and I'm sure the bill for detailing the engine bay was not cheap, so I wouldn't be surprised if the reserve is indeed in the high 40's.

The inner door handle is NOT metal, it is indeed a light trick. The interior is absolutely time-capsule perfect. Same with the trunk and underbody - I'd say this car IS all it is cracked up to be, albeit with a couple anomalous items like the exhaust and body-color engine bay. Trivial issues for someone interested in putting this car back to 100% original.

Edit: Here's the original Pelican thread:
'72 T coupe heading for new record on eBay...

austin552 · austin552's Garage

Dave, What shop do you frequent? I have to run up to Road Scholars to have a looksee...

dtw · 08-06-2005, 01:42 PM

European Performance in West Raleigh, 851.5084. GREAT guys.

Now that I know that the car is still in town, I think I'm going to go over to Road Scholars and see if they'll let me get some photos. I went there for the first time for a showing of Mr. Ingram's collection, it is a pretty amazing toy store. Couple dozens of old Porsches and not a drop of oil on the floor...

pwd72s · 08-06-2005, 09:10 PM

If it sells in the high 40's, would somebody please inform Sweet Old Bruce @ EXCELLENCE?

dtw · 08-06-2005, 10:13 PM

Paul,
My initial response to your post is to roll my eyes at your continued not-so-subtle disparagement of Bruce Anderson's value polls/market reports.

You do make an interesting point though about the recent high sales prices of early 911s; Bruce's polls are generally outpaced in the last 2 years by actual sales. Forget any prospective sale on this car, though - let's keep in mind that this car already sold once for $40k!! I think a lot of people dismissed the original eBay sale as a crackpot bidder or one of those sales that never went through. Nonetheless, it did happen!! I believe Anderson's reports always exempt themselves by saying something to the effect of "It's hard to put a value on a truly unique or truly low mileage well preserved example, and ultimately such cars are worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay".

Even I question a $40k selling price on this car, but it makes more sense when you see it. Maybe I am an East coaster that just doesn't see many stunning examples like this, because while this car does not beat you over the head with a garage-queen or over-restored or preserved character, it is over 90% original equipment and truly a time capsule. It has an amazing folder full of meticulously-kept records. The cache that comes with that kind of car is hard to price, even for a T!! My '72T in mid-restoration will be significantly more "presentable" than this car, but it's got no records, no patina...I probably couldn't get 40K for it in the current market.

I ramble, but I let me just close by saying I caution anyone against making judgments against this car if they've not seen it in person, especially since it has been dusted off a bit. It is a striking car...

epbrown · 08-07-2005, 12:54 AM

To me, the only way a 911T in any condition would be worth $40,000 is if there are no longer any Es or Ss available in that range. Even then, there are other Porsches I'd look at first (say an impact bumper Carrera 2.7 or 3.0, a well-done RS 2.7 clone). Even in the longhood camp, 40 gs should buy more Porsche than that.

Emanuel

dtw · 08-07-2005, 01:54 AM

For $40k you can get a great 996..."more Porsche for the money" is not the point of this.

Or, to abandon that argument, I know of some '72 and '73 "S" examples in the same condition as this T that have traded at figures hovering dangerously close to six figures...so in a way of thinking, you're absolutely right.

epbrown · 08-07-2005, 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by dtw
For $40k you can get a great 996..."more Porsche for the money" is not the point of this.

I agree - my point isn't that you can get a newer Porsche for the money; that's pretty much always true. My point is that you can find a better car of similar vintage for the money. Maybe you've heard of Es and Ss going for double this amount, but I sure haven't. Nice, original Ss go for high $30s to low-$50s on average from what I've seen, with Es running about $10k lower and Ts another $10k lower.

The 911S with Sporto strikes me as a better investment for the money. A tranny swap to a period-correct 915 and a mild resto will result in a car worth more than the T, even in brown Targa form.

Emanuel

donstevens · donstevens's Garage

I think it looks pretty doggone nice and $40K is probably a pretty good price for the right collector. Sure, there are lots of newer cars that can be bought for that kind of money but it is all about what the buyer wants. I am happy that there are buyers out there who will pay top $$ for a sweet early car.

By the way, one bone I have to pick with the ad is the "arguably the nicest" original car out there....C'mon. There are lots of a tme capsule cars out there, they may not be for sale but they are out there. I know of a 71T in our area owned by a prominent collector that has less than 20000 original miles. It is in a museum like shop amongst dozens of other Porsches and is not for sale. But it is there. Looking at that car is like being in a time warp. It's real and it's fabulous.

Best of luck to whomever buys this sweet car. let's hope it is a Pelicanite.

Don

Don