Did the HP Junkies finally died

[gliderguy]

Originally posted by juan ruiz
No I don't work at the track but I have a lot of people that has support me from long ago, anytime anything new happens in the Porsche Drag Racing world we know winthin days.

9.52 is for a 100% street legal 911, our other 911 is at 9.76 and working the way into that record, for a tub 911 the time is 9.16

Theres a dozen other people building 911s for drag racing ( well they have been for the last 6 years) but nothing at the table yet.

I dont care what car you have in your stable that is impressive.

[juan ruiz]

Indeed it is.

[911Velocity]

I am happy that HP and lite weight still rule. I am driving the wee out of this car. In the process of adding NOS, Motec, more displacement, bigger supercharger or twin superchargers. If I can get this power to the ground I think I can post some good numbers. I just dropped a 540 CI 695 HP Big Block along with a Keisler 5 spd trans in my 67 Corvette. The numbers say it should run low 10s or even high 9s but I won't know till I get it to the track. Anyway I think the 911 will be faster but we will see.

Take care and remember " Be good or don't get caught".
Gerry

Hey Juan. Being and ex New Yorker. Puerto Rico, Hoo! I love the video and progress on your car!

BTW. You are a sick ba$tard. Or the car is...

[juan ruiz]

In the process of adding NOS, Motec, more displacement, bigger supercharger or twin superchargers

Thats all good bro, BUT I will try my best to avoid the Super, I disagree with everyone here until someone shows me a 9 sec 700hp super 911, until then they are junk to me.

[slow&rusty]

"Did the hp junkies finally die??"

HELL NO!

[911Velocity]

Originally posted by juan ruiz
In the process of adding NOS, Motec, more displacement, bigger supercharger or twin superchargers

Thats all good bro, BUT I will try my best to avoid the Super, I disagree with everyone here until someone shows me a 9 sec 700hp super 911, until then they are junk to me.

I will not be able to hit 700 HP and 9 sec. with my present setup but I have already wasted a few modified twin turbos and after giving some TTowners a ride in my car they were amazed. The car is more for road racing with a very linear power delivery. Even with race gas and 16 PSI its only good for about 600 HP. But after the mods I listed and a G50 trans I think I will have something to show you. Stay tuned and perhaps you will learn something. Superchargers are instant gratification and don't need 3000 RPMs to spool up. Unfortunately they are a pain to get running right but the future may hold some good things. I don't have a ton of money or sponsors so its going to take a little time but I believe I will get there eventually. BTW I don't see any 8000 HP turbo dragsters out there as the last time I looked they used superchargers. Its all good and I wish you the best.

Best regards,
Gerry

[WydRyd]

Originally posted by 911Velocity
Superchargers are instant gratification and don't need 3000 RPMs to spool up.

Sorry, I don't want to start a "SC vs Turbo" flame war here, but are you saying that your are on 16psi boost from idle? I find that extremely difficult to believe. Even SC's require RPM's to build full boost, just like a turbocharged configuration.

[juan ruiz]

People like Protomotive which are the experts , tinker with what you are now starting to learn and the end result was clear.

Turbo Rules.................

[pjv911]

Im putting together a 69` with a target wieght of under 2300 lbs and will be using an internally stock 92` C2 turbo engine . I have a shortened g50/50 box and about $30k in other goodies(susp, brakes, wheels, interior, fuel system , etc) yet to be put together . I plan to run the boost levels in the 1 - 1.3 bar range which should yield at least 375 hp to the wheels . If all works in my favor the car should run low 11`s with some very big mph through the traps .
As for now the car sits all painted and pretty with its $$$$ in parts resting about 75 feet away . Just need time to assemble it .

This summer ive been enjoying my wht/blu short geared 2200 lbs R/S clone with a 8k rpm 240hp 2.6 twin plug MFI Al Bass engine . I cannot wait to see what the other car is going to feel like . Although I have not run this car at the drag strip I firmly believe low 13 et passes are a given . Maybe high 12`s with the right launch . The 116 oct fuel ($6.50 gal) is kinda painfull for daily use though . The blue turbo car(pictured below) will be run on pump 93 oct.

Kurt Williams

[WydRyd]

Nice lil project! Keep us posted on progress

[911Velocity]

Originally posted by WydRyd
Sorry, I don't want to start a "SC vs Turbo" flame war here, but are you saying that your are on 16psi boost from idle? I find that extremely difficult to believe. Even SC's require RPM's to build full boost, just like a turbocharged configuration.

Believe me I am not going to war. I have even said in the past that this method of gaining HP is fraught with peril and I would not do it again. Turbos are much easier and cheaper in all aspects and high HP turbo cars abound. However, I can absolutely tell you that on 93 octane gas and the boost set to 11 psi which is what it currently set at, from idle, as soon as I step on it the boost swings immediately to 11 psi and I burn the tires to ash. I soon will take it to the track but will only be allowed one run as I do not have a cage in it yet, I will post my time when I get it. This style supercharger (twin screw) is the most efficient and boost is available NOW, look up autorotor superchargers for details. Also the torgue is instant and HUGE. More than a turbo at the same level of boost. Race gas lets you use 16 psi but my tires are not big enough nor would my present trans hold out for long. Given the fact that I am in so deep already I am just trying to get the most from this system and I am sure that with the proper setup and lots of $ you can get 700 and more HP from a supercharged 911 engine. The 1/4 mile time and speed would then be dependent upon the gearing and suspension and power to weight ratio. I am in New Jersey and would be happy to demonstrate this car for you and you could make your own decision. As for Protomotive and their efforts, I believe they just took the path of least resistance and I believe they make a great product but there is more than one way to skin a cat. I would always keep an open mind, that way you can learn. Besides the goal is to go fast isn't it?

Best regards,
Gerry

PS Juan, what tires are you using as I will need to get some for the track? Could you make a recommendation? Thanks.

[WydRyd]

911Velocity, I agree, the end result is to go fast. Doesn't matter how you get there as long as you enjoy the ride

I take my hat off to you for having (and trying) something unique.

Have fun & stay safe!

[Lukesportsman]

Kurt:

Where did you get 116 for only 6.50? I recently paid almost 8 after the "barrel" cost for my 114. At 6.50, I might bump up the timing a couple degrees and pickup some response. I know VP fuels isn't the most cost effective......please tell

[juan ruiz]

We been running BF D.O.T Drag Radials, you may want to try the E.T. Street D.O.T, BUT then again we go back to square one, my beloved Axle Dept.

When I start this quest I was going to do the super but I felt that there was a big lack of support to do so, during the quest I drove a 911 with the super which later was changed to turbo, all do It felt good I prefer the turbo.

As you know we are very deep into the sport compact market, and theres not one single car in the USA running a super, all do I understand your point in funny cars, tractor pull etc etc.

We recently dyno a 3.5 single turbo on 93 octane, she did 623rwhp so up to there the numbers are close to yours (that was low boost 16psi) it be interesteing to do the same test at 30 psi of boost on 112 fuel.

If you ever take her to the track please share the numbers with us I will even settle for a 10.50

[911Velocity]

Originally posted by juan ruiz
We been running BF D.O.T Drag Radials, you may want to try the E.T. Street D.O.T, BUT then again we go back to square one, my beloved Axle Dept.

When I start this quest I was going to do the super but I felt that there was a big lack of support to do so, during the quest I drove a 911 with the super which later was changed to turbo, all do It felt good I prefer the turbo.

As you know we are very deep into the sport compact market, and theres not one single car in the USA running a super, all do I understand your point in funny cars, tractor pull etc etc.

We recently dyno a 3.5 single turbo on 93 octane, she did 623rwhp so up to there the numbers are close to yours (that was low boost 16psi) it be interesteing to do the same test at 30 psi of boost on 112 fuel.

If you ever take her to the track please share the numbers with us I will even settle for a 10.50

Thanks for the tip on the BF drag radials. I will let you know the #s from the track at 11 psi, then hopefully 11psi and a 50 shot NO2. I will need the motec system to safely run the 16 psi with or without the NO2. Once you put the bigger supercharger on the engine the boost builds really fast and is hard to control with overboost occuring (blowoff valves react to slow for this system) which can be deadly to the engine. I agree that there is very little support for supercharging Porsches but there appears to be others getting involved which can only help. My original idea was to just add a bolt on 350 HP system for $7500. Things got out of hand when I found 1 broken head stud and now I am in for a bundle and doing the best I can. Hopefully for me all the other manufacturers using superchargers to make big HP (Mercedes AMG, GM, Ford etc) will cause more aftermarket tuners to enter the game. But, right now the most cost effective way to make big HP in Porsches is with Turbos. As an aside comment each 1 psi added yields approx 25-30 HP gained so a 30 psi supercharged system on 112 fuel in a 3.2 should be more than 850 HP if the engine didn't blow up, which would be a financial disaster for me and my wife would KILL me if I didn't die in the explosion. I believe you would see at least the same HP, perhaps more, with the turbo system, however, I think the torque curves would be different with the super yielding more torque over a wider band. It would be very interesting to see this. Take care and thanks again for the tip. BTW what gearing are you running in your car and what is the top speed and redline?

Best regards,
Gerry

[juan ruiz]

BTW what gearing are you running in your car and what is the top speed and redline?

Stock G50, top speed I am not sure but we have peg the speedo, redline is at 7900

[twobone]

I had a ride this last weekend at Shannonville in a heavily "breathed-on" 81' Turbo. According to the owner, the car makes 450-600 HP depending on the boost. He was only running low boost, but I can tell you the effects were awesome.

I'd never been in a Turbo before. I just loved the high pitched whistle followed by the cacophony of raw power. Here are some pics.

I think his car is truly menacing in that colour. It really looks like its ready to kick you ass if you look at it sideways.

[juan ruiz]

That last picture remainds me of that time we spank a brand new tt 2004 it was funny and that guy was

[YermanCars]

Juan, In your research for the tiptronic trans would it be an easy task?

I was just thinking of the same thing for my car

All the AMS cars are now getting automatic trans in them and they are working wonders

Heres a vid, took .5 seconds off of his 1/4 mile times

http://media.ams-dsm.com/ericshootout2005.wmv