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bigrubberjeep 10-05-2005 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by randywebb
"Capable of torquing to 6 ft/lbs...."

- not my point -- A torque wrench will show maximum in accuracy at either extreme of its range. You should use it in the middle of its range.

But... the valve cover nuts are not critical as to torque - just do them by feel and save yourself $200+ for another torque wrench. Be sure not to snap them off with an "iron wrist."

What torque wrench is a must?

sammyg2 10-06-2005 11:55 AM

I'm out, at least for Saturday.
I've got over $1,000,000 backlog in my shop that needs to get out so I'll be working Saturday's and maybe Sundays for a while. Still feeling the aftermath of the hurricanes. Lots of this stuff belongs to the refineries and they want it back like yesterday.

Doing my part to get the gas prices back down ;)

BTW, I do the valve cover nuts by feel.
I use the silicone gaskets torqued to 3-5 ft. lbs (estimated, best guess) and they don't leak at all.

bigrubberjeep 10-06-2005 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sammyg2
I'm out, at least for Saturday.
I've got over $1,000,000 backlog in my shop that needs to get out so I'll be working Saturday's and maybe Sundays for a while. Still feeling the aftermath of the hurricanes. Lots of this stuff belongs to the refineries and they want it back like yesterday.

Doing my part to get the gas prices back down ;)

BTW, I do the valve cover nuts by feel.
I use the silicone gaskets torqued to 3-5 ft. lbs (estimated, best guess) and they don't leak at all.

Sammy - Could I bother you to lend me some of your "Valve" adjusting tools?

I'm not really close to any autoparts store so having everything I need is critical.

sammyg2 10-06-2005 01:14 PM

Yup, what do you need?

bigrubberjeep 10-06-2005 01:16 PM

I need a feeler guage with xtra blades and a dial indicator that works great on the exhaust valves.

:)

sammyg2 10-06-2005 02:04 PM

Okeydoke.
PM sent

Zeke 10-06-2005 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigrubberjeep
What torque wrench is a must?
The first one to spend serious money on is a 3/8, but you can get a beam model for not much dough. The next one is a not too expensive one for the wheel nuts, or in other words, something in a 1/2 drive. If you are going to be building American iron motors, then go big money on the 1/2 for the accuracy. A beam type is not the best in this category unless you've got Schwarzenegger arms. Lastly, get a 1/4 drive for the 6 lb (or 72 inch/lbs), if you feel (o'boy), or don't feel (get it ;)) the need.

I'm with Randy, just do them all equal with the same wrist in the same motion and you're probably good. 6 lbs. is scary light, but it's what you do here. The nuts are good for one time only. That's when they seal and don't back off. So go loose before you go too tight. You can always go back and put a little more on them. But the first time is the best and let them seal.

randywebb 10-06-2005 03:07 PM

What torque wrench is a must?

Lug nuts - a 1/2" drive wrench
- same for various fasteners on the suspension, brakes,

If you rebuild an engine, you will need that + a 3/8" drive one (lower range) for various things... rod bolts (unless a more accurate way to set tension is required {torque wrenches are not the greatest...})
and maybe a 1/4" drive one... I have a beam type one of those that I use once every decade or so...

I don't know of anything on the Pcar that requires really accurate torques as low as ft-lbs in the single digits. I'd get one of those fancy screwdrivers torque tools for Mil-Spec electronics if there were - only place I've ever seen the real low value ones.

For more info search on torque wrenches - people have posted some good info before - you could include JIM + SIMS + BILL + VERBERG (or is the 2nd 'e' a 'u'?) to cut down if there are too many results ...

bigrubberjeep 10-06-2005 03:10 PM

I hate it when this happens -

I just got off the phone with a local wrench shop who quoted me
$330 for a complete valve adjustment job / Oil and filter, includes parts.

So now the dilema, where do I draw the line on when to take it to arench to do the job and when don't I?

So far, many of you have said that it's VERY tedious and very STRESSFUL, so is this one of those jobs that will teach me something usefull about my motor? Or will I end up just frustrated and regreting not having a pro do it?

bigrubberjeep 10-06-2005 03:13 PM

On a side note, I own a full set of wrenches, sockets and what not, along with a new aluminum jack and some stands.

sushinav 10-08-2005 04:36 PM

BRJ,
I'm free first thing tomorrow morning (sunday). Call me at 951 852 2719 if you want to do it then.

Cheers,
Jason

kqw 10-08-2005 06:19 PM

Make the decision to dIY or Pay the shop...

Based on your continued apprehension...pay to have it done and be through...

Good luck..

bigrubberjeep 10-09-2005 12:50 AM

Paid the man $160 for the Valve Job - DONE!

Did the oil change myself - Yes I'm too chicken to touch valves after speanding so much on them this year allready.

Maybe next time - ( I took notes while it was being done by a pro.

Save my weekend for the family - Thanks to al who offered help or advise.

sushinav 10-09-2005 09:52 AM

WHo did you have do it, and where are they? Always good to post a positive experience with a shop here so others can try them. Nuttin wrong spending time with the fam instead of under the car.

kqw 10-09-2005 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigrubberjeep
Paid the man $160 for the Valve Job - DONE!


Excellent...Jumping in for the 1st time in kinda like taking your first plunge off the high diving board....

However; once you've taken the dive you'll realize that $160.00 would have bought a lot of beer...http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1128882149.gif

bigrubberjeep 10-10-2005 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sushinav
WHo did you have do it, and where are they? Always good to post a positive experience with a shop here so others can try them. Nuttin wrong spending time with the fam instead of under the car.
DeVitto's in Orange - The man has been referred to me by many before me, now I see why. I just didn't live or work close enough to him before, now I do. Lucky me.

bigrubberjeep 10-10-2005 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kqw
Excellent...Jumping in for the 1st time in kinda like taking your first plunge off the high diving board....

However; once you've taken the dive you'll realize that $160.00 would have bought a lot of beer...http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1128882149.gif

Good point, however I'm not much of a beer drinker, I'm more of an expensive Vodka man myself. So $160 would have only really covered about 2 bottles for me.


Again thank's to all for your help in this.


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