3.9 RSR project --- my Carrera reborn

[gsmith660]

Originally Posted by MrPerkles

This sholuld help put a positive spin on the thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkzsrV6BIc

Woo hoo thats what Im talkin about!!!

[911teo]

Here are some pics of the build....












And finally as of Friday afternoon...



Today at 9M they received the seal for the fuel pressure regulator (it was faulty) and it will be fitted tomorrow.

Colin is on holiday this week. He knows what's waiting for him upon his return on Monday.

[mpeastend]

Congratulations Matteo!!! It looks awesome. Please post a dyno sheet and specs when all is said & done!

[mike monde]

Matteo,
Good to see it back in good form, enjoy!

[gsmith660]

Woo hoo thats what I'm talkin about!!! I am so looking forward to seeing the specs on the first run!

[MrPerkles]

cant wait to see this back on the road again

[Facey]

that looks like a large displacement engine!!!

congrats, i have heard nothing but good things about 9M

[lateapex911]

Looks great Matteo! Lets hope this one rocks and stays in one piece! You're a nice guy, and deserve a little luck!

[IDGAF27]

Congrats...........looks great! Hope to hear and see it on youtube.....

[martin_gibson]

Originally Posted by 911teo

Colin is on holiday this week. He knows what's waiting for him upon his return on Monday.

Matteo,

Looking good mate - so may get to introduce her to the 72t (now it has life) sooner than expected

Take care.

Martin

[jorian]

Sorry if I missed it in the thread but, what are the specs of the new motor?

[Duckworth]

For anyone - can you take a look at the merit of Timmin's discussion below - so some of us can better understand the logic being used.. Are there plenty of 911 motors around - running properly when the case has undergone welding ? He seems to suggest it's feasible.


EVERY one of your listed complaints has no bearing on the failure.

As for the bent case, fine, send it back and I will send you $2000… It was repaired, bored to the larger cylinders, and then checked for alignment. Anyone who knows 911 engines will tell you that if the case is even minutely out of alignment then the crank will not spin freely. If it did cause issues it woudl undoubtably be immediate.

EVERY one of your listed complaints has no bearing on the failure.


…Kinda like the dings in the distributor gear. Hmmn. Guess who pulled the distributor when he thought the Hall Effect sensor wasn't working, (which turned out not ot be the case) yeah, I'll give you a hint, he also filled the motor with gas. Bottom line on that though is that it didn't have anything to do with the rod failure.

...no idea what he is referring to on the Hall sensor.)
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'82 Targa - sold

[shbop]

Originally Posted by Duckworth

For anyone - can you take a look at the merit of Timmin's discussion below - so some of us can better understand the logic being used.. Are there plenty of 911 motors around - running properly when the case has undergone welding ? He seems to suggest it's feasible.


EVERY one of your listed complaints has no bearing on the failure.

As for the bent case, fine, send it back and I will send you $2000… It was repaired, bored to the larger cylinders, and then checked for alignment. Anyone who knows 911 engines will tell you that if the case is even minutely out of alignment then the crank will not spin freely. If it did cause issues it woudl undoubtably be immediate.

EVERY one of your listed complaints has no bearing on the failure.


…Kinda like the dings in the distributor gear. Hmmn. Guess who pulled the distributor when he thought the Hall Effect sensor wasn't working, (which turned out not ot be the case) yeah, I'll give you a hint, he also filled the motor with gas. Bottom line on that though is that it didn't have anything to do with the rod failure.

...no idea what he is referring to on the Hall sensor.)
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'82 Targa - sold

.."nuf already with this guy. He's a whiner, and has an excuse for everything imaginable. People like this never get it, and will never step-up to the plate... let's move on.

Mateo, Glad to see you're almost back in action. The motor looks great! Can't wait to hear how that baby sings.

[Duckworth]

.."nuf already with this guy. He's a whiner, and has an excuse for everything imaginable. People like this never get it, and will never step-up to the plate... let's move on.

Sure - we're all moving on whether we like it or not....the fiasco is behind us - however, it's good just for the purposes of general education to try and comprehend his text.....so that you, me or someone else doesn't find themselves trapped in the same type of predicament. Aircooled flat six motors are pretty sensitive to any - and all type of oversights..

Guys are here in number who know about welded cases - who can speak one way or the other....on how dangerous it is in terms of failure.


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[efhughes3]

Originally Posted by Duckworth

.."nuf already with this guy. He's a whiner, and has an excuse for everything imaginable. People like this never get it, and will never step-up to the plate... let's move on.

Sure - we're all moving on whether we like it or not....the fiasco is behind us - however, it's good just for the purposes of general education to try and comprehend his text.....so that you, me or someone else doesn't find themselves trapped in the same type of predicament. Aircooled flat six motors are pretty sensitive to any - and all type of oversights..

Guys are here in number who know about welded cases - who can speak one way or the other....on how dangerous it is in terms of failure.


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You need to ask yourself one question. If you spent big money on a build like this, would you want a case resurrected from a scrap heap? IMO, a case can be screwed and still allow the crank to turn. It doesn't have to be black or white.

[boba]

Originally Posted by Duckworth

Sure - we're all moving on whether we like it or not....the fiasco is behind us - however, it's good just for the purposes of general education to try and comprehend his text.....so that you, me or someone else doesn't find themselves trapped in the same type of predicament. Aircooled flat six motors are pretty sensitive to any - and all type of oversights..

Guys are here in number who know about welded cases - who can speak one way or the other....on how dangerous it is in terms of failure.


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Why......WHY would anyone use a damaged case on a $40k motor build, or a $10K build for that matter when there are good cases available. As a % of the total investment it is not significant.

The only reason I can think of is to improve the margin on the project. Use a junk...yes I said junk case and be $2000.00 to the good. But what about the down side for the client and your reputation.

Well we have the answer for reputation.

Fraud may be too strong but if I paid for a first class build and found junk parts I might be thinking fraud. This is beyond a simple oversight, he had to think about it before he decided to use a welded case and not give the client the opportunity to accept this choice.

Regardless of the outcome of the motor when you pay for a level of product and have repaired parts used without notice we are talking MM type treatment.

[SteveM911]

Engine looks great in the car Matteo, glad your nearly back on the road.

Look forward to seeing the car back on the track.

[911teo]

Guys I personally just want to put this incident behind me.

I don't want to waste anymore time with Timmins.

It may well be that the blow up was caused by the case.

But in a court of law, in the US, with a US defendant, a professor, against a Euro trash that spent a lot on a motor, took it to Europe and then on the track it is going to be a difficult case to make.

To me it's not worth it. I am a trader in the financial markets. I weigh the odds every day, calculate the possible payouts of every single trade. Balance the risks against the possible rewards.

In this case it's not worth my time, the stress etc.

Timmins will pay one way or another. I am not after him. I just want to drive my car. This has been just another chapter (albeit an unfortunate one).

I think a discussion about repaired cases and how well they hold up in a motor spinning at 8k rpm is a valid one. But maybe it calls for a new thread.

And gentlemen I really sincerely appreciate all your kind words and support. It means a lot.

But do not feel to sorry for me. I have aa wonderful healthy family. I have been blessed by working succesfully for my own company and by having the possibility to go after my dream 911.

It's not as if I was forced to sell the whole thing, is it? I mean I fell on my feet with 9M (if not better than what the previous moter had ever been).

Plus for all the time the 911 was down I was able to drive around in this....







Life has been good. I am in credit with fortune. Let's look at the bright side!

[911teo]

Originally Posted by jorian

Sorry if I missed it in the thread but, what are the specs of the new motor?

It is a 3.8L (993 club sport P&C) with individual throttle bodies managed by a Motec 600 ECU.

The other interesting bits are the Carrillo rods, the DC-62 cams and the Ninemeister billet heads.

The estimated power output is between 400 and 425hp @ 7,400rpm with torque of around 440 NM (325 lb/ft) from 5,000rpm (with 80% avaliable at 3,500).

We'll see.

It certainly not going to be any slower than before...

[matty74]

Matteo,

I'm doing a 3.8 RSR spec motor with 50mm PMO's on my 74 widebody, mate your project has inspired me, awsome car mate.

Matt