putting short shift in now wont go into anygear.
 

I was putting in a weltmeister short shift and when testing shift i went from 5th to reverse by accident now it only goes from 5th to reverse and it wont go into neutral or any other gear.

please help

No worries.
Did you tighten the coupler bolt? If you didn't get it tight enough the shifter rod will rotate and cause problems. Try starting over. Do you have any manuals on hand? If not, search here for details. I think the shift rod is just out of adjustment. The shift rod coming out of the thrans needs to be turned by hand to put it into first gear. You can then put this shifter itself in the first gear position. Tighten the coupler bolt and check your gears.
This is a 915 tranny, right?

this is what is happening i didnt even mess with the coupler before i saw i didnt have any gears.

i can put it in 5th and revers only when i yank it out of 5th when clutch is slightly aplied it goes right into revers no neutral at all.

i started over put oem old shift in same problem undid coupler it dousnt want to turn clock wise at all which is the 1 through 4 spectrum.

what do i do

how do i turn it clock wise to put in to first? it is a cross shape but nothing to clamp on to.

going out to the car to try to put in first be back

Well, we know it isn't serious so just step back and take a breath, grab a beverage and think about it. You didn't mess with the coupler so it has to be " in the shifter". Is the ball on the end of the shifter going into the ball cup bushing? Check it out.
That is the only connection that you could have missed at this point.

i put the old one back in. so i didnt miss that. i can see the shifter in the cup trying to move the linkege but it wont go. i disconected everything and from the t conecter in back put a ajustable in the t and it wont move just goes up and down 5th to reverse. i think something got ****ed becouse neutral is just gone so i cant move it anywhere even with the clutch pushed in.

i was watching the lock out spring tab work and was playing with the 5th to revers seeing how cool the desighn was to stop this and then suddenly i didnt move it right and the lock out didnt stop it and it went into revers with a little kind of tendon pop sensation and it has been broken ever since

Can you force the lever back into 5th?
Any way you caould take a picture and point out what you mean?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1142808813.jpg

it will move only in and out it wont move right to left any more

i dont realyt have to force it into 5th it will go there just not anywear else.

Is it stuck in 5th gear even after you pull the shift lever out of 5th?

no it goes straight to reverse from 5th with no neutral

Just to be clear...This all happened sitting in your garage/driveway right rather than going from 5th to Reverse while motoring down the road right? The problem you describe happens with the engine running or is this without starting the car?

For the no-nonsense no guessing answer you need to talk to this guy...resident guru

john walker's workshop
7613 greenwood ave. n.
seattle, wa, 98103
206.789.6800
jwworkshop@aol.com

I'm out!!
It has to be something simple but I have no idea with out touching and feeling the gearbox. ( THAT sounded stupid.)
Myabe a fellow Pelican in NC could drop by and take a look at it?

well thanks for your help i let it kick my ass and quit on it around 7. 6hrs to put a short shift in is a bit much.

i will give john walker a buzz

I've been going over this in my head all night and come up with nothing.
Almost worth a road trip to NC to find out what the deal is.

pha you drive that to help litle ol me and i will by you all the beer you can cary......... well **** if your going to do that ill buy a fidenza flywheel and ill have a engine drop party. i think i screwed up the gears somehow in the trany but unless ze germans made so us dumasses cant do that i think then i just paid eurowerks another 500 to drive my car

When you figure it all out please take a couple of minutes and post your findings.....I'm very curious as to what happened as I suspect many others are!

If you haven't already been here, the following link takes you to a pretty good post on rebuilding the tranny....lots of good photos to help understand what's in there.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159059&highlight=transm ission

Maybe take at a look at:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/911_shifting_improvements/911_shifting_improvements.htm

i think i have a better explanation for the people who are experts of how the 915 tranny works. becouse of my monkying round with the 5th to revers position i somehow have goten revers in a position where it has taken the place of neutral. becouse of this everything to the right (or left) depending how you look at it is unavailable becouse you cant just move the shift from revers to another gear.

so if 5th works becouse it is above reverse and reverse is now neutral how do you get it out of that gate on to the other side which will fix the whole thing?

and i will never EVER fool with playing with the 5th to reverse lockout again its there for a reason somehow i sliped passed it when i was trying out the new short shift.

Did you try pushing the coupler and shift rod "into" the trans while trying to turn it? Think about how the shifter works and you'll undersrtand what I mean. You will feel notches as the rod is turned. Those are the gears.
I still don't think you have serious problem.
Do you have a cordless phone you can take to the garage? If so, PM me your freakin' phone number and I will call tonight. This is starting to drive ME nuts because I can't figure it out.

driving you nuts??? Try fiddling with a steel pole for 6 hrs and not bieng able to drive something that worked perfectly fine before you messed with it.

I've been thinking about this a bit....I'm going to attach two pictures borrowed from other posts on this board...the first shows the reverse and 5th gear setup which is in the nose. If you look closely at the right lower portion of the picture you will see the tang on the shift rod that rolls over and engages with the reverse/5th selecter. Up/forward would be reverse and down/back should be 5th if I remember correctly. Ignore the green arrow...this was a borrowed picture.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1142901839.jpg

The second picture shows the next section of the transmission which contains the 1/2 and 3/4 stacks. If you look at second photo you will see where the shift shaft (on the right) continues down into this area. I suspect you may somehow have dislodged the bar which interlocks with the shift rod on the left(excuse my technical ignorance for it's exact name) and it is now binding the shifter and preventing you from leaving the reverse/5th gate. I believe if you drain the tranny and then pull the inspection cover off (4 nuts holding it on) the bottom you can see this area. Take a look and see if that bar is where it is supposed to be.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1142902128.jpg


This shouldn't take but a few minutes to check and I believe you can probably work this back into place if indeed it has become disconnected.

Kevin(favrok) called me tonight and we talked about what happened. He was going to take the inspection cover off the trans tonight and take a peek. I think this is where the problem lie, based on what he told me hi did. The poor guy has to work outside in the rain. Man, that sucks but he can't even drive the car to a friend's garage.

He may actually be in several gears! If that bar is out of place it's possible that he has selected at least one gear in the 1-4 area and either getting 5th or reverse all at the same time! Hopefully he finds this to be the problem as it's a no cost fix other than a few cuss words, a few scraped knuckles, a screwdriver, a flashlight and a gasket or some Permatex!

OK guys was hoping to give good news but nope.....................

I tried to get the cover off but it is so sealed with supper pink $hit I cant get it off.

All screws off hammering chiseling prying it ain't comin off for me.

I don't know what the guys at euro works used to seal this thing but it ain't coming off.

So heat cranked up to 90 out of wet clothes washing wet grease Off my body......cursing the whole way............

You guys think the shift forks are stuck and that's why the cover won't come off?

I wouldn't think the linkage would stop you from pulling the inspection plate. You should at least be able to get it loose. Keep in mind there is a two locating pins on the cover that won't allow any side to side movement but you should be able to tap it on the sides and get it to break the seal. There should only be a paper gasket behind this cover with possibly some copper gasket sealer...what you describe sounds like someone sealed it with JB Weld or something else that is meant to be permanent!

Yet a few more borrowed pictures from the infamous "Rcecale" transmission rebuild thread.....



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1142940677.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1142940690.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1142940705.jpg

would have been nice to get it to that point i am sure i could have put everything straight once i got it off.

I hammered and dented the **** out of that aluminium piece and no the inside isnt bound up. i got in the car and moved the shifter by hand so it would be sort of free..... unless i get ti towed i am not driving that bit% till next week.

Someone needs to drive over and help this guy out!

What's NC? About 8 hours from Michigan?:)

oh haha (wayne) i am not stressing it this is par for the cource.

when i get back from my trip on moday that afternoon i will get someone to get in the car and jiggle the shift while i hammer the **** out of that cover (and i wil do that only if its dry and over 55).

Maybe use a little heat from a propane torch to weaken whatever sealant is holding that cover on? Too much hammering and you are gonna break something!.....and "something" usually isn't cheap!

Kevin, Call when you get back and I'll stop by and help you out.

See........a relatively close fellow pelican to the rescue.

To all other pelicans now you can relax bird station 034 has reported.

Excellent!!
Please let us know what the outcome is. Even my wife is curious as to the problem. (She has endured me blathering on about it all weekend as I thought out loud.)

was going to take picture but didnt get to it.... seems when i got home my car was bleeding blue blood.

some how the cover i beat half to death has come loose a bit to leak swepco...

I didnt put the 4 bolts back on tight just on enough so i wouldnt loose them...
FSTNBLK
do you have any spare swepco????

You do know that if you pull that cover without first draining the transmission fluid you are going to get the entire volume of lubricant (about 3 quarts) out that hole all at once right?

Just an FYI but my experience has been that floor dry doesn't pick up Swepco very well!

ahhhh pressure washer will due just fine if i need it.

i have the plug purchased here to drain it but it wont come out either.
#1 it is a shallow hole.
#2 the mechanic cranked it down good and it wont come loose.

What is a good way to drain it????