Starting problem, alarm suspected. Need help.

rnln · 01:08 PM

Problem:
Tis is the 3rd time it won't start. No clicking at the starter. When it happend, I had to push the car to start to get home. When I get to the point to turn off the engine and restart it, it's started fine.
The first time it happend around a month or 2 ago, when the car was parked all day in a cool parking lot structure. Second time was 2 days ago, around 1/2 day in the structure. Yesterday, it happen again, was hot 2 mins parked in a sunny opened parking. As you can see, there is no consisten cycle.
Lucky this time I was closed to the lift at the mechanic shop. We lift it up and test started the starter manually, it started fine. I made sure to test started the car with the key right before and after the manual started. Key started didn't work at all while the manual starter test is fine.
And after a while, all in a sudent, the car start fine when they are touching one of the relay. Guys helped me thought they did it.

Suspected:
Of course I think I would go for the cheapest and easiest first, fuse/relay. I checked and touched, and wiggle all the fuses and relay in the board, no help. Second, I would think of the alarm ignition kill component, maybe one of the alarm relay.

Tested:
Today, I got down and found 4, 5 diff relay in there. I don't know which is the relay for the ignition kill so I tested all of them. The way I tested them is (and this is where I have my question if I tested it right). Talking about the ignition kill feature relay, I think if I pull the relay off the wire/circuit, the car won't start. Or if I set off the alarm (sirent), the ignition kill feature won't work. But I fail both; which mean the alarm won. I can't test it. Don't matter which relay I pulled and doesn't matter how I did my test, the car still start fine and the initional kill will work fine.
So maybe the alarm installer didn't install a relay for the ignition kill? Any thought?

PS: Batter check and alternator check is fine. While running, the DCV accross battery poles read above 14v.

rnln · 02:32 PM

Another question I have is, anyone know if the starting process (executing the starter to start) from ignition key to the starter involve with the fuse board? If so, do you know which fuse and relay it goes through?
Thanks a mil.

88911coupe · 06-18-2006, 06:42 PM

I ran into this and it did turn out to be alarm related but later had problems and it turned out to be the solenoid on the starter.

rnln · 06-18-2006, 08:58 PM

I am thinking of installing an botton "start" connecting 2 poles on the starter and lead to the cabin. In case it happen, I still can be able to start the car, and also to know where the problem is (if the botton starts, starter is ok. If button does not work, it's the starter problem).
The thing is that I don't know the clean path way to lead wires from the engine area to the cabin.
Anyone know?