pic of 993

[look 171]

Not too active at the 993 board here. I have a chance to look at this 98 C4S. I understand it is a wide body. Bill and the other over there had shown me a few pics. Thanks guys. It is going to be my semi daily driver. I think it should have plenty of power for that in stock form. Just for laughs, how about a chip? How much hp and how reliable are they?

Anyone have more pics? Thanks. They should be really reailable cars I think.

Jeff

[earlyapex]

http://rennlist.com/

Very good 993 board. You should also read the 993 technical board on the PCA web site.

http://www.pca.org/tech/tech_qa.asp

The car will be reliable. There are some well know issues with the engine that you will need to be aware of. These are covered in detail in the PCA tech section.

[Jastx]

They're excellent cars overall. The 993 board on Rennlist is definitely the most active for 993s. You can learn much about their nuances there.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=58

See here for some pics of my ex-993. Wish I could have kept it and my current 930...

http://members.rennlist.com/jastx/

[aigel]

Mine is chipped by the PO and he included dyno sheets in excess of 275 rwhp. Plenty of power for now.

George

[look 171]

Hey john,

Thanks for the reply. How do the 2 cars compare. Is your 930 tricked or stock. I couldn't decided on a 993 or 930 when I bought the 911 a few years back. Once I drove the 930, I knew that was it. Now I want this 993 badly. I have more then enough power and speed on my 930. A bit too rough to be driven all the time. 350hp to the wheel is too much for the street. I like a woeking A/C.

Aigle, how much is that in stock form, do you know? 275 is should be more then enough for me. Who's chip, and what's something like that cost. Any difference on the butt dyno?

Jeff

[adscab]

275 rwhp is a little optimistic. Do not expect any gains from a chip. What you will get is a flatter hp/torque curve which translates to better responsiveness.

Most stock 993's are in the 240 rwhp range. In fact, outside of supercharging, getting more hp out of a 993 is very difficult, unless you are willing to break the bank.

[aigel]

Well, there is a bit more work done than just a chip on my car. The chip just adds the air/fuel accordingly.

George

[adscab]

Well done!

[aigel]

Unichip and the work was done by the Racers Group a few years back. Cost is hard to estimate, as the engine was apart due to a money shift anyway.

G

[look 171]

That must make it much more fun to drive? Can you really tell the difference from stock when driving? I am really after feel then hp on paper. got use to the big hp on the turbo. Who knows, it might be just be enough stock for me. No more spending $$$ on upgrades on motor.

[Jastx]

Originally posted by look 171
Hey john,

Thanks for the reply. How do the 2 cars compare. Is your 930 tricked or stock.

Jeff

Jeff,

My 930 is a stock '89 factory Slantnose, my '98 C4S was also stock. Neither daily drivers so that influenced my decision to sell the C4S. For this car I wound up wanting something more different.

My C4S was about as perfect a 993 as you could find -- I got it with 12,700 miles. But, to be honest, for some reason it never clicked with me as I expected. It's wierd, because I still get excited when I see these cars and sometimes feel bad that I sold it. But I have to remind myself that though it was an excellent car I just wasn't in lust with it when I owned it. I thnk my big gripe was the gearing. It was geard too high, like having a 2 or 3-speed transmisson if you kept the revs where they belonged. It was happy at 120 where I never drove but felt average driving at normal street speeds. I don't know, it still bugs me that it didn't turn out to be "the" car.

The Slantnose is definitely different. It's low miles too, with just over 25k at the moment. It's more mechanical and I like that. It makes cool sounds. It's power, while about the same as the 993, is delivered in a way that feels good to me. At take off, it's not fast -- but not slow either -- then the power continues to build until you shift with the car accelerating at a faster rate as the revs build. It's a good feeling.

Ride is somewhat harsher but not bad, a little noisier over bumps -- the old torsion bar suspension transmits road noise into the body. One big difference is the steering -- no power on the 930. It's not bad at all if you're moving, providing great feedback from every detail of the road surface, but at low speeds making sharp turns -- like typical 90 degree turns in neighborhoods -- it is very heavy and fights you. Kind of truck-like actually, a big negative. The worst feature of the car I think.

I upgraded my A/C components so it's as cool as ANY car on the road now -- a successful upgrade with which I am very pleased.

I don't trust it like I would the 993, so I don't drive it in a real aggressive manner -- I wind it out and all but conservatively with smoothness and care. For me it's more of a collector car like a 356 might be, definitely a street car and somewhat of a concours orientation.

I enjoy its originality and all of its details -- the way Porsche used to do things. I refrain from modding except for the air conditoning and a few bolt-on items I can return to stock if I want, like a genuine 80's Italvolanti steering wheel and hub that Porsche often put on the early Special Wish Slantnoses or the Rennline triangulated strut brace. I have also found and acquired a lot of '89 Porsche stuff to go with it like brochures, color charts, '89 Porsche calendar with commerative coin, an '89 Porsche Marketing Guide, a Porsche Slantnose Technical Reference book, all of the right paperwork, etc. Makes the complete package. It's a rare item, one of 60 Slantnose coupes produced for NA in '89 and a late build date.

So, that's what my 930 is about, more than a car. I like it a lot but judged solely as a car, I might not enjoy it as much. If I drove it daily, between the two I'd have the 993.

I have also found I REALLY enjoy the hunt and acquisition. A little after a year goes by I get the urge to do it again. I have the urge now but will keep the 930 at least another year. I wish I could build a collection and still had several of the cars I once owned, including my 993 and a beautiful sport seated Tangerine 73.5 911T I had in the 80's (if only I knew then what I know now).

[look 171]

John,

why don't you trust your 930. I know what you mean about the strreing. I have 245 up front, and my arms are like popye's

[aigel]

Originally posted by look 171
That must make it much more fun to drive? Can you really tell the difference from stock when driving? I am really after feel then hp on paper. got use to the big hp on the turbo. Who knows, it might be just be enough stock for me. No more spending $$$ on upgrades on motor.

Note that I bougt the car already modified. I have driven other 993s and this one certainly feels a lot more powerful, throughout the rpm band. It also has a lightened flywheel which really makes it a ton of fun to drive. If you come to the north bay, look me up and we'll take it for a spin.

G

[Bill Verburg]

'97 C2S



C2S w/ CS aerokit

[Jastx]

Originally posted by look 171
John,

why don't you trust your 930. I know what you mean about the strreing. I have 245 up front, and my arms are like popye's

I mean I'm not sure what it will do under certain circumstances. It's totally sound and right but I expect its more skittish at the edge than the 993 so I don't push my luck and try to hang the tail out exiting the freeway. I'm also not sure how it would respond in a panic situation with no ABS, or sudden panic lane change. So I'm careful. I should probably do a DE to get to know it better.

245 up front! Blow me down! -- I can imagine your arms are like Popeye's!

An 8 to 12 year old Porsche will have some issues that require repairs - just as any other car that age. It will be as dependable as your maintenance program is good. You cannot treat it like a Honda and expect to keep everything working. But a Honda will never give as much pleasure.

[look 171]

Mark, Bill those are fine looking 993s. My mouth is watering just thinking I might have one in my garage. Thanks for the pics. I really Like the 993 by the lake with the sun setting.

Jeff

[Don Plumley]

Another view of a 993:

[look 171]

Originally posted by Jastx
I mean I'm not sure what it will do under certain circumstances. It's totally sound and right but I expect its more skittish at the edge than the 993 so I don't push my luck and try to hang the tail out exiting the freeway. I'm also not sure how it would respond in a panic situation with no ABS, or sudden panic lane change. So I'm careful. I should probably do a DE to get to know it better.

245 up front! Blow me down! -- I can imagine your arms are like Popeye's!

Funny you say that. I spun mine in 2nd doing about 50 coming off the freeway. I had my R/P shorten, and was not use to it. Turbo came on and out it went under me. I have 315 on the back still it went into the curb nose first. I neded another 10' of road, I would have been OK. Thankfully it was nothing major, just spoiler and condensor. I think sudden lane change should be OK. When I first got the car, I try to partice at one of a huge parking lots at my old university. I try to lift and spin the tail out just to get to know the car. I had a hard time getting it to come around. It need a lot of speed to do that. Now I know. Car is still at the shop. While it is in there, I am getting a 2nd oil cooler put in.

Jeff

[aigel]

Well, you may have seen these. I didn't know we were supposed to post pictures?