Turbo Guys

[Frank@AMS]

Hey Everyone,

I'm Tonys (YERMANCARS) brother, I work at AMS. He mentioned that a lot of you guys have been looking for Turbos to use on your projects. I talked to my boss to see if he'd like to somewhat get into Porsche's as far as turbo's go. Here at the shop we have worked on a few Porsche's as far as turbo modification goes. We worked on a Cup Car that we did a turbo upgrade on, and soon, most likely later on in the week, we will be installing a larger gt series turbo on my brothers car. I was just wondering how many of you would actually like to see us produce some combinations for the Porsche? Any input is appriciated. Thanks in advance.

Frank

[Frank@AMS]

Just wanted to let you guys know what models were able to work with.

BB 50trims
GT30R AND GT30
GT35R AND GT35
GT40R AND GT40
GT42R

The R stands for Ball Bearing
Of course we have a bunch of different AR's to fool around with

[Frank@AMS]

Bump, no one?

[David]

I'd post this over on the Rennlist 930 forum. There's a lot more turbo traffic there. I just bought a K27HF2, otherwise I might be interested. What could you provide that others suppliers don't?

[mb911]

frank I think there is a huge demand for this. I think though that price is a huge factor as the people looking for an upgrade such as this are also considering a 3.6 upgrade as well so there has to be that magic number to keep them this route

[YermanCars]

You, will never get 360rwhp out of a na 3.6

I think Frank, is geared more toward the high hp guys, that are looking to put out more that 400rwhp.

AMS is top 10 in the country for tuning, turbos and fab.

(Look on the next issue of Modified Mag)

What could you provide that others suppliers don't?

AMS (Martin Musial Co Owner) is a turbo God and can customize any turbo to mate w/ your engine combo.

[mb911]

That makes sense ! Can't disagree with the thinking but again What about the purchase of a modded 930 engine and tranny. If price is part of the overall decision of the buyer Then one might wonder if they would be better of with a 930 set up or to convert there current engine> I know That has and always will be my thought process. I think they should go for it. It only makes sense if they already have all the knowledge base and fab skills on tap. Best of luck

[Frank@AMS]

I really thought there would be more support for this

[juan ruiz]

Originally posted by Frank@AMS
I really thought there would be more support for this

Frank

Welcome to the Porsche world, soon you will see why many of us walk away from it.

Many of the Porsche people still think that a KKK is a turbo to go, it will be ages before they come up to speed on the GTs turbos, by then you will be building Electric Operated Evos.

[Frank@AMS]

Juan,

you are correct, hopefully that time is soon. on another note i heard you were asking my brother about some 4g63 info, PM me if you need any help

[Joe Bob]

I'm bored with my N/A SC 3.6....can ya turbo that?

[RarlyL8]

Most Porsches aren't riced out over-boosted screamers living on a short fuse. These cars cost real money to build and stupid money to head north of 450HP. You won't find many (of the ususally older) 911/930 owners interested in that. The guys that track their cars are looking for better handling to accompany the power they already have. Most guys on the street are happy with <400HP in their light car. Drag racers go elsewhere for a fix because it makes no economical sense to competitively drag race a 911.
You might snag the remaining few who are DIY hotrodders, trouble is that Porsche tuners such as iA have done their homework and have lots of dyno time to back it up. If anyone knows the expense of creating the right turbo for the job it is Juan. Very few Porsche folks will walk that mile.
So your mission is to find that select few and service them well.

[Lukesportsman]

Frank, welcome to the board. I mean to offend no one here, but the Porsche camp doesn't tend to stray too far from the factory efforts/techniques. I'm using general statements to explain the attitude not to describe each individual. I see more and more people straying away from these ideas and more modern tech applied to the older cars recently.

I'm running GT's on my new build up. How would you plan to incorporate the GTR's with the water coolant in our aircooled cars? This is not a hypothetical, since it can be done, just curious to your ideas. Your brother is/has worked with one of the foward thinkers on this board.

If your looking to reach more guys with 4-900 hp, then RENNLIST is the place of hereos. Your going head to head with some other tuners over there and you have to be careful in how your present a product without being a sponsor...so tread lightly.

[89turbocabmike]

Frank, it is not lack of interest but concern about longevity. I've heard from many fellow turbo owners who have had problems with keeping the GT-series alive. There may be other issues causing these problems but with the expense of converting my headers over to the GT flange and the cost of the new turbo and the unknown longevity, I'll stick with the proven hybrid turbos from Steven at Imagine. With a turbo, I can afford to leave 20 hp on the table.


"Welcome to the Porsche world, soon you will see why many of us walk away from it."

Juan, sorry we disappointed you. As much as I admired(I'll have to rethink that now) your efforts , no one force you to adopt a 20yr old platform for drag racing against the best of Japan. I love Porsches, but if I'm going to get into drag racing or want a 800+ monster on a budget, I'll buy something else.

[WydRyd]

Curious, Frank/Tony, how much are the GT30R ball bearing turbo's?

They'd probably be a great turbo for a pure street car, looking for optimum spool at the expense of a bit of top end HP. I've heard they can support up to ~525HP, which isn't too shabby as far as I'm concerned and a GT35R, rated at ~600HP, may be a bit of an overkill for a street car that only sees occassional full boost sprints.

What do you other Turbo Junkies think?

My car is a daily driver, so I'd like it to be as responsive and torquey as possible on the street

Just want to make the RIGHT choice first time around. I can't really afford the "Juan Ruiz" Turbo R&D department

Here are the specs direct from the Garrett WEB site!

[YermanCars]

Merv, We are Currently testing a turbo on my car. If it works out I will give you the details.
Other than that, the GT30r is the way to go if you want a ball bearing unit.

I also was recommended this, by a very knowledgeable Fellow HP Junkie.

" A T61 with a "O" trim turbine and a .68 tangential housing or a .69 on center will give you 550HP+ @15psi and spool about 2900-3200 rpm. You could go to a ball bearing turbo but to be honest the difference between a BB turbo and a oil feed bearing is maybe 200 rpm's. Sure it will spin down for an hour after you shutdown the engine but..........?"

Happy Boosting

[Frank@AMS]

Merv,

What type of power are you looking to put down?

[JeremyD]

I think the interest is there - especially from a reputable shop like AMS, but more for a solution, not just a turbo.

Exhaust, Connections, BOV, chip, Etc.

One solution for 3.2 cars - 400 hp+

The tough part about what has been out there is it's geared towards KKK and Porsche tradition. The bottom end on the 3.2/3.3/3.6 is capable of some serious HP - it's just the Aircooled heads/pistons/ etc that have the limitations.

[Amac]

Frank,
For the most part turbo owners are running stock to
mildly up-graded cars. The way to get these guys is to
offer a cost effective turbo up-grade that will out perform
the KKK units. I think most of the turbo guys on this board
will tell you that money is the #1 concern when looking at any
kind of up-grade. So if you can supply a more powerfull turbo
that's easy to install for less money than a K27, you have a
chance.
Turbo's have come a long way and I run ceramic BB turbo's myself.
I remember when this group would never use anything but a Porsche wategate, now you see Tial more often than stock.
I think there is interest here, good luck.

[Frank@AMS]

Amac,

the turbos I would offer would have to be either t3 or t4 flanged turbos, so only for people with aftermarket flanged headers. We have a turbo we are trying out on my brothers car and if all goes well, i'll start offering it to the porsche guys.