considering 71 911T targa

fierochris · 05:48 PM

There is a running 71 911T targa project car available locally, I was offered the car in trade for one of my existing cars. but before i give an answer id like to get a few ball park guestI'mates at the cash value of this car. I know i know.. no pictures, not information.. how can i expect a estI'mate of the car. well just do the best you can with what i give you.

its a silver 71 911T

targa top has a tear on driver side and will need replaced.
the interior is black vinyl and appears to be fair daily driver ish.

EDIT: wheels have been verified, they are magisium 15" Maule gas burner's

the wheels are some odd looking 15-16" wheel that I'm told is a Fuchs wheel. but looks nothing like the 16"s on my 944 and nothing like the 2.0's on 914's

the engine is supposed to run well and there is a receipt for $3,500 for the weber carbs that were recently installed. sounded high, I'm guessing that was for labor too?

the tires are dry and the brake may need redone.

the body is in good shape with no exterior rust or major dings. but paint is faded bad.

the title is clean.

so from what you hear what kind of range are we in for a cash purchasing value/general worth?

jkarolyi · 10-16-2006, 03:38 PM

The wheel could be a Mahle "stove burner" wheels, which were optional on 911s back then. They're often mistaken for Fuchs. If this is the case, the wheels alone could be worth $1000+

Brand new Weber carbs could indeed cost $3600 installed.

Underbody rust is the main value determinator here. If none, say $8000 or more, if so, $4000 or less.

fierochris · 10-16-2006, 04:55 PM

any other guesstimates?

BK911 · BK911's Garage

$6295

fierochris · 10-16-2006, 05:45 PM

just verified that the wheels are indeed the valueble maule gas burner wheels. im not really a fan of them, but they do seem to be valuble, and odd.

lyon · lyon's Garage

sounds like what I bought in May, 10g's if it is rust free and running decent.
You will need to get the brakes done, caiper rebuild, new lines, new fuel lines, tune up, targa top.
It's not to expensive if you can do it yourself. Expensive if you hire somone.
It s a lot of fun and worth it, buy if it is in good shape!

Staylo · Staylo's Garage

First, find the rust.....it's there. Just a question of how much.

fierochris · 10-16-2006, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lyon
sounds like what I bought in May, 10g's if it is rust free and running decent.
You will need to get the brakes done, caiper rebuild, new lines, new fuel lines, tune up, targa top.
It's not to expensive if you can do it yourself. Expensive if you hire somone.
It s a lot of fun and worth it, buy if it is in good shape!

i do autobody for a living, and have done all of my own mechanical work since ive had my first car. so i know ill save some money that way.

i dont know how well it runs yet, im told it starts and runs fine. but i know first hand that it has been sitting for 6 years, it was dropped off for paint 6 years ago. the owner filed bank ruptcy before it was painted, and the bank repossessed the car. a friend of mine who works at the shop is buying the car because he can do it though some kind of lien the shop has on it. and he wants a car of mine so he is offering to trade the 911 to me. ive been bugging him about this car for two years. and he has been bugging me about mine for longer. so we are talking about the trade. but i have over 15k into the car he wants. and i dont really know what the 911 is worth.

fierochris · 10-16-2006, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Staylo
First, find the rust.....it's there. Just a question of how much.

there is no visible rust on the exterior. i havent inspected the underside yet but the car was owned by a very wealthy local woman who kept it in her garage since new. and it was not driven in the snow or rain. i know her personally and she is the only owner. she retired years ago and was my art teacher in grade school.

intheshop · 10-16-2006, 08:10 PM

Since you asked, doesn't sound like a good swab to me. Posting pictures and a better description might help increase the wild guess as to the car's worth, but for a 71 T targa to be worth $15,000 it would have to be in good condition. Not perfect, not restored, but for that money someone would have to fix the brakes, fix the targa top, make sure an engine that has sat for SIX years runs (new carbs or not). The car might be worth $5-10,000 as it sits, but there are a lot of unknown issues. Good luck

fierochris · 10-16-2006, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by intheshop
Since you asked, doesn't sound like a good swab to me. Posting pictures and a better description might help increase the wild guess as to the car's worth, but for a 71 T targa to be worth $15,000 it would have to be in good condition. Not perfect, not restored, but for that money someone would have to fix the brakes, fix the targa top, make sure an engine that has sat for SIX years runs (new carbs or not). The car might be worth $5-10,000 as it sits, but there are a lot of unknown issues. Good luck

Sorry if i made it sound like what i have is worth 15+ k cash. Im just saying thats what i have spent on the car.

Its a Fiero based Lamborghini Diablo replica, with a SBC V8 engine swap. and its only 90% finished still needing paint and rubbers . these cars sell for around 20-25k finished. id say my car would sell for around 10k to a enthusiast, or 6-8k for a realistic, fast turn over.

ill try to get pictures of the 911 in the next couple days.

t6dpilot · t6dpilot's Garage

My $.02... Do the trade if the car is rust free, but do check to see if it runs. Also have a PPI performed including a compression test. I dare say that your replica will not increase in value, but these early cars are only going to go up over time. Plus they are fun to drive and really look great. A one owner, garaged car that was not driven in rain or snow? It better be rust free and if it is, trade for it and have fun (assuming the PPI checks out OK).

Just my opinion, but I am an long hood nut...

ossiblue · 10-17-2006, 07:59 AM

Rust is the key factor. Being a body man, you have the tools and skills to repair what you find at a cost most of us would find very high. Regardless of the history of the car, check for underbody rust, rocker panel rust, door pillar rust, rust from leaking windshield seals, etc., etc. If the body is near perfect (paint excluded), then you need to consider the cost of all the things mentioned in this thread to get the car back on the road after a six year lay-off--not cheap. That being said, and without pictures, the car sounds like a match for what your trade is worth, according to your own estimates. A little more investigating may give you a great deal. Keep us informed.

fierochris · 10-17-2006, 10:01 AM

my major concern is the ripped targa top. the car was stored indoors before the owner delivered it to the body shop. but since then it has been sitting in the bodyshops gravel parking lot. though im not sure how many years the hole has been in the targa top. im sure the carpet must be shot. im worried whats underneath it. something only a hands on inspection would reveal. Im trying get a chance to go see the car today and snap a few pics. and do a little homework for myself. though doubtfull i will be able to hear it run without a formal appointment.

fierochris · 10-17-2006, 01:35 PM

cant go see it today, hopefully tommorow. pics shortly.

ossiblue · 10-17-2006, 05:03 PM

Bit of a red flag warning from your last post. If the ripped top allowed water in, and it was sitting in the open parking lot, much more than the carpet is likely to be shot. At the first chance, check the floor pans under the carpet AND under the padding (scarpe away the padding). Rust under the padding is often undetectable from the underside of the car. Proceed with care and thoroughness.

fierochris · 10-17-2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ossiblue
Bit of a red flag warning from your last post. If the ripped top allowed water in, and it was sitting in the open parking lot, much more than the carpet is likely to be shot. At the first chance, check the floor pans under the carpet AND under the padding (scarpe away the padding). Rust under the padding is often undetectable from the underside of the car. Proceed with care and thoroughness.

if the floors need replacement, are there aftermarket panels that can be welded in? not nessarry a cheap panel but any? (i know porsche and cheap are not to be used in the same sentence)

jkarolyi · 10-17-2006, 07:11 PM

Yes there are aftermarket panels, and theyre very reasonable ($200 per side?), but the labor involved is considerable.

fierochris · 10-18-2006, 05:25 PM

well it looks like the deal will happen by the weekend, My freind that works at the bodyshop where the car was located made his last offer that happened to be what it would take to have the title released from the bank. he is going to finalize the trasaction tommorow and as long as the car looks as it did the last time i seen it and does start up we have a deal. and ill be introducing my first 911 to my 944 by sunday.

how long should the car take to reach running tempeture? when looking the car over i would like to run it past that point.

as far as mecanical issues to inspect for can some of you tell me what to look, listen, and feel for? im not planning on driving the car and am sure it will need work to be anything roadworthy, i just want to know whats bad news and what is not that serious.

Thanks for all of your replys, i really do appeciate your help.

fierochris · 10-19-2006, 11:31 AM

just got off the phone, The title is sercured, he has the keys, title, and the car is ready to be picked up.

its about 20 miles away right now. anything to watch out for when towing? it will go on a trailer. and ive owned several mid engine and rear engine cars and know from experince that they must be loaded backwards.

im going to buy a new battery tonight for it. whats a safe compacity battery for this car? would the 850cca thats in my 944 be effecent?

silly note... this is post 356 for me

is that a sign?