Tech Spec. Booklet question
 

Can the information provided by a 1974 911 Technical Specification Booklet be gleaned from the Workshop Manuals?

I've been outbid on ebay for the past couple of years when these come up for sale. I guess I'm just not willing to put up the money necessary to secure one. I don't care about the collectivity of them, I just want the information located within. Even a badly hand copied one would suffice.

So, if that's all located in the big manuals (which I have) I'll forget about trying to get one. It's just that I've never seen one so I don't know what the contents are. Thanks.

In a word, no. They are really a companion sort of thing. There is a lot of info in the spec book that isn't in the manual. More important for me, the info in the spec book is quick to get to, unlike the manuals.

They are available other places. Ebay isn't always the best place to get something. Try a google search.

JR

Is this what you are looking for?

Part number WKD-422-121-OEM

http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/ksearch/PEL_search.cgi?command=show_part_page&please_wait= N&make=POR&model=911M&section=TOLbks&page=3&bookma rk=18&part_number=PEL-000-147

No, it's this little frustrating thing!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1168388217.jpg

I may know of one at a local shop, sitting on a shelf. It's either a '74 or '75, I can't remember which. I'll try to call tomorrow and find out which one it is.

JR

That would be great! Thanks JR

I think it is the same thing with a different name on the pelican catalogue: here is the picture for the turbo model in that list:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1168389301.jpg

Pelican does seem to have them still available, and the part number given above is the correct one!

Porsche 911 Factory Spec Book (1974)
Brand: Genuine Porsche WKD-422-121-OEM $48.00

Washington State is relatively close to partsobsolete annual camp out. There is a guy usually there that sells the Tech spec books. I bought a relatively new 72,73 manual for $18.

D-oh! Looking at the wrong thing. "Attention to detail" :rolleyes: story of my life.

I'll see if JR has an old dusty booklet he's willing to let go for less. Thanks for the input guys.

This is a continuing issue.

There isn’t a single easy source for Porsche technical information. Pelican is one.

I have spent 1/3+ century collecting Porsche technical information. It is way too difficult.

PAG/PCNA currently seem to think it is in their best (financial) interest to keep this proprietary. I think that is very short-sited and wrong.

The cure is to convince PAG that information dissemination is in their best interest. We can do that.

PAG has seldom been responsive to the “public.” They have seldom seen the connection between their product and their customers other than to make sales. A few exceptions are racers and feedback from some special people. That still exists but there is more.

We can TELL PAG what WE want. There are good arguments for the dissemination of information. There are also good counter-arguments against withholding that information. It is up to us.

The dissemination of technical information to PAG customers/supporters is in PG’s best interests. I don’t understand why they don’t see that. Don't they want us on their side?

PKG was perhaps more responsive. Dr. Ferry Porsche knew who ultimately paid the bills – us who buy Porsches. Has current management lost that perspective?

WE, all the owners of prior manufactured Porsches, are Porsche’s best sales force. PAG needs to realize this.

Write to Porsche A.G. I recommend you have your comments translated into German and then checked (for meaning) by you.

We, Porsche’s customers, direct PAG fate. If PAG doesn’t respond properly . . . well the auto industry is littered with failures. I don’t want that for PAG.

Best,
Grady

Concur. I've often wondered why they don't have that stuff for free download on their website. It's not like they're protecting any secret. The car and its technology is over 30 years old.

I like your line about who pays their wages - that's us.

Glad I got back mine that I lent a friend! He sweared that he gave it back and 8 months later it showed up on my keyboard with an apology note.

Okay,

I found a couple for you. Both are brand new, one is nice and white, the other has a cover that has yellowed with age. Call Rennsport Werkstatt at (918) 663-2906 and talk to Rick.

Cheers,
JR

JR,

I called Rick and bought them. One for me and another for a friend with a '74. Thanks for the lead. I really appreciate it.

Nate

I don't understand. These original specifications books are available from a wide variety of sources. Apparently Pelican carries them, and the Performance Products catalogue has a list of them all the way from the 356 to the 968 for $30 to $40.

translations
 

http://www.porscheshop.co.uk/acatalog/owners_manuals__service_books__technical_specs.htm l

A timely (timeless?) subject. Maybe this is happening ever so quietly, witness the release of the PET documentation in the form of the Teilekatalog, now online and available as a free download from Porsche. I recently discovered this, thanks to Stephen:

http://www.porscheshop.co.uk/acatalog/owners_manuals__service_books__technical_specs.htm l

Grady’s right (as usual). If we don’t make our voices heard this problem will never go away. I don’t have 30 years to collect technical information on my cars, I just want to repair them correctly and efficiently when they break so I can drive them some more. That other car maker from Baden Wurttemburg supports its products why not Porsche?

Here’s where I can help. My girlfriend is a professional translator who works from French and English into her native target language of hochDeutsch. I’ll cover the cost of the translations if YOU THE READER write and send the letters. PM me with your letter to Porsche AG and I’ll return it to you with a highly accurate translation for you to forward to The Company. Vera needs the work.

The letter should be original and compelling, as unique and inimitable as our cars are to us, even though a plain-jane bulk mail campaign might work in this instance.

Grady, we’ll need an e-mail address of someone(s) at PAG in Germany.

SmileWavy

Sorry, here's the link. Maybe something like this is in the works for earlier model years?

http://www.************************/productpage.aspx?pid=110089&name=Porsche+Technical +Information+CD

:confused:

According to the link the CD fits "all applications 1955-05." http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/read.gif

This thread prompted me to finally place an order for the spec book from our host. A few days later I received an email informing me that WKD-421-020-OEM, listed as "Shipping in 3 business days", is not available. This has been happening a lot recently and it is very frustrating. I realize that the parts channels are beyond our hosts' control but it would be nice if there was some way to tell when/if a part is certainly available instead of just probably shipping in a few days.

I just placed an order with the other PP (for this item as well as a couple others unavailable here) hoping they may have a different supply. I hate doing business with those guys but I don't really see much choice...

Yes, that would be nice. Unfortunately, I don't have access to stock information at Porsche until I go to actually order something. Their computer systems absolutely suck eggs.

These spec books are getting very hard to find. I duplicated all of the information on the engines for 1965-89 in my Engine Rebuild Book, but there is still a lot not covered in there. It would be a neat project to compile them all together into one source, but who has time to do that? It took me forever to do the stuff for the Engine book...

I would be willing to lend my books (I have every single one, including the impossible to find 951 one) to someone would could scan them, and then we could put them up on the site. I really doubt that Porsche would raise a fuss over these...

-Wayne

Did you ever hear from their IP lawyers when you published the parts information and specs in the original Engine Rebuild Book? What was the advice of your own IP counsel in determining whether to include that information?

The answers to those two questions are an indication of how to proceed with this. . .

I would be willing to do some scanning. If we find a few people to do it it would go fast. If it's just me, it could take a while!

It's beyond me why the early documents aren't in print. It can't cost PAG that much to produce a run every 3-6 months, and it's clear there's more demand than supply.

I bought a new Tech Spec booklet for my '73.5 (the '72-'73 bought from Performance), but the Owner's Manual I need continues to elude me. I'm watching ebay and various classifieds. I may have to travel to a swap meet, which raises the cost quite a bit.

Our host used to list them in the catalog, I ordered one, it was accepted and then cancelled as not available.

Now I see that all the owner's manuals before 74 have disappeared from our host's online catalog!

That's just ... wrong. If PAG doesn't want to print these things, they should let someone else do so. As someone else posted, I'm not interested in collecting it, I want the info.

"If PAG doesn't want to print these things, they should let someone else do so."

- Let's call that "copyright desertion"

I prefer "genericide." Something that the owners of the worlds most powerful brand franchises steadfastly refuse to do.

i have a decent $300 HP 3in1


and my home mail is below in profile.





ps: i also have 72,73 and 76,77. Carrera 3.0 Turbo is w/76,77

Maybe this should be pursued through the PCA, which at least has, for better or worse, "factory support." Wayne is The Enemy, as far as PAG is concerned. So are we. Don't ask me why.

A guy buys a 911 and he can't buy the book..


huh! :eek:

I haven't seen a '72-73 FS yet in 4 years. I may have missed some on eBay 'cause I don't look.