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wachuko 02-18-2007 08:27 PM

Anyone with GT Racing fenders that can chime in with how they dealt with the fender to body mount. The area behind the wheel/closer to the door. Thanks.

wachuko 02-19-2007 06:19 AM

I also got a Ultimate Strut for Front Hood from here (Pelican Parts)

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/.../PEL-US-1F.JPG

and some hood pins from GT Racing. Planning on installing those tonight.

911teo 02-23-2007 11:45 AM

Wow... my hat off to you. You are a brave man!
The car is starting to look really nice.
Did you decide anything on the wheels?

wachuko 02-23-2007 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 911teo
Wow... my hat off to you. You are a brave man!
The car is starting to look really nice.
Did you decide anything on the wheels?

If I can find street tires for 14"x17" wheels then I will go with these:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1171984015.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1171984030.jpg

If not I will go with Lindsey P2 (Fuch styled) and install spacers...:

Lousy photo manipulation I know, but you get the idea...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1171986697.jpg

And no, not planning on painting the car orange.. I will keep it in the original color :)

wachuko 02-23-2007 12:45 PM

Just a few photos on the progress so far (this was all done last night)...

Driver's fender fitted, started with the work on fitting the bumper. Got the urge to see how the wing looked installed and although I have not finished the outside of it and put it on just for kicks (the reason you see it lower into the body is because I removed the rubber stops. Should align flush with the rest of the car with the rubber stops in place.

Right now I am just focused on getting all the mounting holes drilled, fitting the parts, making sure the gaps are correct, etc. One I get all that done then I can work on the filler, primer, etc.

Here are the photos, enjoy. I have another thread asking for some suggestions with the body work.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172266646.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172267055.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172266840.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172266857.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172266882.jpg

I drove the car out to clean all the dirt that fell from the fender wells... and from removing the 17 miles of A/C hoses that that thing had... wow! I will take some time during the weekend to remove the fenders again and pressure wash everything... hate it when all that crap falls on the floor...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172266932.jpg

That is all for now. Will get some additional work done today. Concentrating on finishing fitting the bumper.

wachuko 02-23-2007 05:59 PM

Well... bumper is in place. Here are the photos. It will still need some work (that phrase is becoming a constant one, LOL )

I still need to drill the holes from the fender to the bumper. Currently have a C clamp holding it in place...

What rubber trim is used between the fender and the bumper???

Here are the photos:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172285864.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172285914.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172285932.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172285955.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172285973.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172285993.jpg

wachuko 02-23-2007 06:02 PM

A few more:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172286067.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172286083.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172286099.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172286161.jpg

zrdstr3 02-23-2007 06:23 PM

That's looks pretty good, please keep the pics coming.

wachuko 02-24-2007 06:11 PM

After playing some more with the position of the brackets and adding some flat washers to shift the bumper 1/2" to the passenger side... voila! Bumper fits better...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172372369.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172372405.jpg

C clamps replaced with 1/4" stainless steel bolts and washers:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172372526.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172372546.jpg

Made the brackets for the back of the fender... will glass over it an create an extension to the fender in that area to fill the gap that is there.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172372847.jpg

wachuko 02-24-2007 06:21 PM

This thing is starting to look like a car again:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172373204.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172373228.jpg

Working now on fitting the headlights... I was told and also read not to trust fiber glass for holding the headlights so I will make some brackets for the top and another one for the bottom to hold them in place.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172373420.jpg

Also, all the border around the headlight bucket needs to be removed for the lights to fit... seems the FG is too thick and does not allow for the headlight to fit correctly. I tried to leave some level of border to at least help keep it in place while I insert the bottom bolt...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172373543.jpg

All this lip goes away...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172373642.jpg

Here you can see why the lip needs to be removed... look at the bottom of the headlight:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172373967.jpg

wachuko 02-24-2007 06:42 PM

Now with the border almost removed...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172374766.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172374841.jpg

Looking much better now:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172374914.jpg

PcarPhil 02-24-2007 07:19 PM

Nice progress. Keep up the good work!

Kevin Stewart 02-24-2007 07:23 PM

wow those fender gaps suck, Kevin

Facey 02-25-2007 01:00 AM

amazing pace to your project.

those vented fenders are MEAN.

very jealous already.

Tom '74 911 02-25-2007 05:00 AM

Awesome work and step-by-step progress photos. Thanks for all the behind the bumper connection shots - I've always wondered exactly how glass bumpers are attached. That's an ambitious project you've got going!

Tom

SLO-BOB 02-25-2007 06:58 AM

cool project. subscribing.

Plavan 02-25-2007 07:52 AM

I had the same "Door Gap" problem with my GT Racing front fenders 5 years ago when I built my car. No real easy way to fix it besides ordering better quality fenders from Getty or Ma Shaw. They only good parts that Hank makes are bumpers.
Here is the picture of the fenders when I was putting them on.... He really needs to adjust his mold.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172422273.jpg

wachuko 02-25-2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plavan
I had the same "Door Gap" problem with my GT Racing front fenders 5 years ago when I built my car. No real easy way to fix it besides ordering better quality fenders from Getty or Ma Shaw. They only good parts that Hank makes are bumpers.
Here is the picture of the fenders when I was putting them on.... He really needs to adjust his mold.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172422273.jpg

Now you tell me!! :p When I started looking the three companies came recommended.... I sent an email to Getty for a list and a quote... got a reply that they will work on it but never got the email or callback... placed a call with GT-Racing, left message and got a call back from Hank... placed the order right then..

Should I then go with Getty for the rear parts?? Probably a null point as the front seems to be the one with the most work...

Johnny B 02-26-2007 06:06 AM

great job keep posting

artisticent 02-26-2007 08:16 AM

I am very close to scrapping my steel front 73 fenders and getting fg ones. Mine need a lot of filler and im doing a fg hood and bumpers anyway. Still have to decide. Thanks for moving along on your project at a good pace, it will motivate me. by the way, I have that power window wiring issue in my other car, How did you solve it, what wire goes where. My pass window switch is out coz it wass not working right.
Thanks
Nathan

artisticent 02-26-2007 08:16 AM

I am very close to scrapping my steel front 73 fenders and getting fg ones. Mine need a lot of filler and im doing a fg hood and bumpers anyway. Still have to decide. Thanks for moving along on your project at a good pace, it will motivate me. by the way, I have that power window wiring issue in my other car, How did you solve it, what wire goes where. My pass window switch is out coz it wass not working right.
Thanks
Nathan

PcarPhil 02-26-2007 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by artisticent
I am very close to scrapping my steel front 73 fenders and getting fg ones. Mine need a lot of filler and im doing a fg hood and bumpers anyway. Still have to decide. Thanks for moving along on your project at a good pace, it will motivate me. by the way, I have that power window wiring issue in my other car, How did you solve it, what wire goes where. My pass window switch is out coz it wass not working right.
Thanks
Nathan

If you go fiberglass for fenders I recommend either Rennspeed or Getty. I'm not impressed with GT Racing fenders at all (I have them on my RSR roller).

As far as the power window problem - go manual!

wachuko 02-26-2007 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by artisticent
...I have that power window wiring issue in my other car, How did you solve it, what wire goes where. My pass window switch is out coz it wass not working right.
Thanks
Nathan

Search here and you will find a diagram with the correct setup. When I get home I can send you the doc I downloaded from here... but most likely you can find it faster by searching the forum. I do not have it in my work laptop.

wachuko 02-26-2007 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaefer
As far as the power window problem - go manual!
I was under the impression that you get no weight benefit from going with manual windows... I rather have the luxury of electric windows... hate to strech over to open the passenger window when needed.

wachuko 02-26-2007 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaefer
If you go fiberglass for fenders I recommend either Rennspeed or Getty. I'm not impressed with GT Racing fenders at all (I have them on my RSR roller).
Have you seen or worked with Rennspeed or Getty parts?? Any photos? Or you making your comment based on what you have read from other folks?

I am getting ready to order the back parts and need to decide what company to get those from. Thanks.

PcarPhil 02-26-2007 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wachuko
I was under the impression that you get no weight benefit from going with manual windows... I rather have the luxury of electric windows... hate to strech over to open the passenger window when needed.
The weight difference is marginal. I prefer manual windows.

Did RSR's come with power windows?

PcarPhil 02-26-2007 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wachuko
Have you seen or worked with Rennspeed or Getty parts?? Any photos? Or you making your comment based on what you have read from other folks?

I am getting ready to order the back parts and need to decide what company to get those from. Thanks.

I have worked with Rennspeed parts exclusively. If I scrap my GT Racing parts I'll probably still go with Rennspeed though I'm also considering Getty for my widebody longhood.

Click on the SC link in my sig. My Ruf project is all Rennspeed.

Here's a pic from that project:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172513715.jpg

Jack Olsen 02-26-2007 09:49 AM

Rennspeed:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1142646318.jpg

wachuko 02-26-2007 12:09 PM

Wish I had know when I ordered the front... null point now. Will order the rear setup from Renspeed. Thanks.

Humm... they have the vented rear in 13 and 15... great... something else I need to decide on... :rolleyes:

wachuko 03-01-2007 08:52 PM

Finished doing the headlights... installed the bottom bracket with clip, upper alum bracket, holes for the wiring rubber grommets...

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/update61.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/update64.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/update66.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/update63.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/update65.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/update62.jpg

One less thing off the list...

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/update67.jpg

Next are the signal lights in the bumper...

lonewolf 03-01-2007 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jack Olsen
Rennspeed:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1142646318.jpg

that car looks mean, very nice Jack

jhubs 03-02-2007 12:03 PM

Jack, You may have been asked this before on another post, but where did you get the tail lights and clear lens cover to go over them? Rennspeed?

Jerry

Jack Olsen 03-02-2007 02:11 PM

No. Back when I got the 911R assemblies, they weren't available in the same way they are now. Mine were made by a guy in South Africa who had made a set for himself. The AR Concept ones available now are much nicer. I think tremotorsports.com carries them.

I got the lenses through a Pelican member who (at the time) lived in Switzerland. They were an off-the-shelf item at his local parts store. When I broke one more recently, I got it through 'andyjboy' here on Pelican.

And the rear license plate panel is also not Rennspeed. It was a mod popular in the early seventies made by a company called Mitcom.

wachuko 03-04-2007 05:29 PM

Started working with the fiberglass... oohhh boy, what a mess... I had some resin jelly from AutoZone and some of the good stuff from the boat shop. Guess what I started with... you are right, the cheap stuff from AutoZone...I will use the epoxy I got at the boat store for the other side to see how the two compare.

I started by covering with tape the areas that I will build on. So tape over the border of door, and over the side where the bolt clips are. The I brushed a lot of mold wax over the tape and parts closed by. This wax helps keep the fiberglass resin from sticking to stuff it should not...

Looks awful... but got to remember this is my first... three layers of long cloth strips going from top to bottom and a few short strips going from the inside to the fender.

I quickly realize that I made a mistake going with the jelly resin... best to use the liquid stuff... The epoxy resin from the boat store is liquid and the hardener is the one that provides more time to work the cloth... so I expect the other side and the additional build up on this one to go smoother...

Here are some photos:

The materials:

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02295.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02296.jpg

2" wide fiberglass cloth. Better to work with and avoids a lot of cutting...

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02293.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02292.jpg

I told you it was a bit of a mess...

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02288.jpg


Not using the jelly again... you are supposed to use a brush to apply it to the area before applying the cloth... well... it does not run that smooth over an area that already has wax on it... also dipping the cloth in the jelly... you really have to work the jelly into the cloth... did I said I was not going to use that jelly again?

Anyway... here is the fender with the added material. Once it is dry I will remove the fender and add a couple of layers to make sure that area is strong enough to drill the holes and serve its purpose...

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02289.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02291.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02290.jpg

Remember what it looked like... it did not have the fiberglass from the border to where the fender is supposed to bolt to the car.

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc02074_small.jpg

Facey 03-04-2007 05:35 PM

cannot say it enough. your a brave man.

however everything seems to be going VERY well, and soon many ppl will be dreaming about building your car...and you can even help them out by pointing them to this thread

Jeff Alton 03-04-2007 08:36 PM

West System is as good as it gets, continue to use it!

Cheers

wachuko 03-05-2007 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff Alton
West System is as good as it gets, continue to use it!

Cheers

Cool. Plan on using it for the other side tonight or tomorrow night. And for the rest of the work with the fiberglass... SmileWavy

UK Caveman 03-05-2007 03:06 PM

Great project! Thanks for sharing your progress with us. One of these days I'll get round to something like this...

Cheers,

David

wachuko 03-10-2007 07:20 AM

Have not been able to do anything... the last few weeks have been extremely busy at work... and the children complain if I am always in the garage... but the new tag arrived! SmileWavy

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1173543592.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1173543622.jpg

disfin 04-04-2007 06:00 AM

Any updates?


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