eb@y 68 911 - no affiliation

SCWDP911 · SCWDP911's Garage

I saw this today and wondered if it was someone here on the list? Looks like another beauty!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-911-RSR-1968-Porsche-911-Rebuilt-to-1973-RSR_W0QQitemZ130081558414QQihZ003QQcategoryZ10156Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

svonkampen · 02-24-2007, 02:42 PM

sweet!

SvK

EarlyPorsche · 02-24-2007, 03:17 PM

The wheels, exhaust, seats and steering wheel make me throw up a little in my mouth. Could have been done nicer but can be worked with. Lets see how much shes worth.

EarlyPorsche · 02-24-2007, 03:18 PM

Oh and the door panels, air cleaners, and guages.

ttweed · ttweed's Garage

Not to mention the general wrong-headedness of converting a SWB car to an RSR-look.

TT

N11Porsche · N11Porsche's Garage

So the ebay RSR isn't the RSR look you were looking for. It's his Porsche (as we like to tell some of our board members) and his cash. Geeze Louise, let's get a life.......I'd like to see all the negative birds, who enjoy tearing down someone else's labor of love, post pictures of their P-Cars so we could have some fun.........

I don't think he was trying to build a totally-correct car. I think the guy did a great job and had some fun doing it. Not exactly how I would have done it but who really cares, nothing to get ruffled over. I would park that puppy in my garage.

Porsche · Porsche's Garage

But you got to admit, it would have been a sweet 68 SWB which would now be appreciating in price. It's possible that the current "RSR-look" fad will go the way of the "turbo-look" fad of the 80s... remains to be seen. But in the end, it's the owners car and money, and people can do whatever they want with it.

EarlyPorsche · 02-25-2007, 07:11 PM

N11 I don't see a problem modifying to an extent. However it is a SWB Porsche, this is something special. Further, modifying correctly and then like that is a complete different ballpark.

LakeCleElum · 02-25-2007, 07:26 PM

SWB/RSR=a collision between good money and bad taste!!!!

Larry_Ratcliff · 02-25-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Porsche
But you got to admit, it would have been a sweet 68 SWB which would now be appreciating in price. It's possible that the current "RSR-look" fad will go the way of the "turbo-look" fad of the 80s... remains to be seen. But in the end, it's the owners car and money, and people can do whatever they want with it.

Hmm... as far as I know the factory turbo look cars still bring plenty of cash. The last one that sold in my area brought almost as much as a factory turbo. There are some cars that are simply timeless. IMO the 911 in most of its flavors is one of them. Anyone who likes to run the track will always want more rubber under the car. Narrow body cars really arent apreciating any faster than other porsches. For instance about 5 or 6 years ago you could buy an early 930 in the mid to high teens but now they are all mid 20's on up.

I am only responding on this note b/c I am just about to butcher my swb car. I could sell it and try like crazy to find a no rust non hit car to start as my foundation but that is a 'good luck' proposition. I am not going to put rsr flares on it as my 74 is already that way. However, I am going to go to lwb with rs flares.

I guess it is more of just building what you want and hoping that others like what you have done if and when you ever sell it. My only exception to that rule is for special cars like S cars or any other car with a degree of rarity.

porsche911girl · porsche911girl's Garage

I think I've been watching that car in my Ebay...

Larry_Ratcliff · 02-25-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by porsche911girl
I think I've been watching that car in my Ebay...

Me too. based on what was done the final price of 25K was not so bad. All of the negative comments all boil down to how much more you would have to spend to make it really nice. You can easily drop 100K + to do one really correctly.

Porsche · Porsche's Garage

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Originally posted by Larry Ratcliff
Hmm... as far as I know the factory turbo look cars still bring plenty of cash.

When I say "turbo-look" of 80s, I was referring to modifying early and mid-year 911s to look like 80s turbo, not the factory M491s, which are of course special cars.

Porsche · Porsche's Garage

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Originally posted by Larry Ratcliff
I am only responding on this note b/c I am just about to butcher my swb car. I could sell it and try like crazy to find a no rust non hit car to start as my foundation but that is a 'good luck' proposition. I am not going to put rsr flares on it as my 74 is already that way. However, I am going to go to lwb with rs flares.

Why butcher a SWB car?

Or a better question is, what kind of butchery? Converting an SWB to LWB means that someone in future will have to convert it back when the prices of SWBs go higher (people are already doing this now - saving SWBs that have been modified into mid-80s turbo-look). Sell the SWB so someone can save it, and butcher something else - putting RS flares on an LWB is different to chopping up an SWB to make it LWB and putting turbo flares on it (like the eBay car).

People used to do this to make their cars look like turbo cars in the 80s - back then it was the thing to do. Now the thing to do is to make them RSR and RS.

I wonder what the next trend will be.

Larry_Ratcliff · 02-25-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by Porsche
Why butcher a SWB car? Or a better question is, what kind of butchery? Converting an SWB to LWB means that someone in future will have to convert it back when the prices of SWBs go higher (people are already doing this now - saving SWBs that have been modified into mid-80s turbo-look). Sell the SWB so someone can save it, and butcher something else - putting RS flares on an LWB is different to chopping up an SWB to make it LWB and putting turbo flares on it (like the eBay car).

People used to do this to make their cars look like turbo cars in the 80s - back then it was the thing to do. Now the thing to do is to make them RSR and RS. I wonder what the next trend will be.

I figure that I killed the market value of my car a long time ago. Notice my cavieat about rare cars. I have a car with original paint and it has never been hit. However, it started off life as a 67 912. I converted it to a 911 with a 2.0 then converted it to a 2.4 then put the 2.7 out of my 74 in it. When I was building my 74 I had a moment of cash flow shortage and sold it for 12.5K.

After looking long and hard for another long hood (after my 74 was finished) I again realized just how nice my 67 was I then called up the guy who bought it and purchased it back from him so now I am the 3rd and 5th owner of the car.

So should I butcher a 911t or convert my swb to a lwb. I know that sounds like an easy question but I have spent easily 200 hours working on the 67 and we feel like blood relatives. The other consideration is that A 911t in similar condition will easily bring as much or more money than my car since it started life as a 912.

I realize that if I would have just rebuilt the engine all those years ago and kept it stock that it would be worth approx the same as the money + labor etc IE stock original 912 w/original paint in the condition my car is in would bring 15K today (my opinion) My car in its condition converted to a 911 I paid 15K to buy it back.

The difference is that for me I wanted the HP. The enjoyment of converting it as well as enjoying driving it with the additional ponies is well worth the $ I might loose some day. If you want to talk about loosing money just go buy a new one and watch about 40K disappear in the matter of about 2 - 3 years!

porsche911girl · porsche911girl's Garage

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Originally posted by Larry Ratcliff
If you want to talk about losing money just go buy a new one and watch about 40K disappear in the matter of about 2 - 3 years!

Yeah I've noticed that too. You can get even a 2000 Carrera for $30k (approx.) And an early Boxter for under $20k.

porsche911girl · porsche911girl's Garage

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Originally posted by Larry Ratcliff
You can easily drop 100K + to do one really correctly.

That's precisely why I'm waiting 10-15 years to build my BB2 clone...it ain't gonna be cheap!

EarlyPorsche · 02-26-2007, 02:07 PM

I too have a 912 converted to 911 with a 2.0 bored to a 2.2. However, these cars still bring top dollar, which I am not worried about, but most importantly I saw it as keeping another aluminum block 2.0 engine in a SWB car. The conversion away from a 912 doesn't diminish much value from the vehicle being a 911 as essentially they were the same cars with different engines. Mine has a rock solid tub, fuchs, rocker trim delete and looks sort of like a 911R. No molestation of the classic look, no loss of originality from Porsche as it has flat sixes which although not period, they are vehiclularly correct. It then has a bone stock interior. I think that I did a way better job than this guy, I am not bragging but I think that my vehicle preserves a SWB and has a little hot rod attitute. Really it boils down to this: to each his own. I am not saying that what I did is the best or the right thing, but I see it as a good conversion or modification if you will and I don't see extensive body modification and such as that great.

Quote:

Originally posted by Larry Ratcliff
I figure that I killed the market value of my car a long time ago. Notice my cavieat about rare cars. I have a car with original paint and it has never been hit. However, it started off life as a 67 912. I converted it to a 911 with a 2.0 then converted it to a 2.4 then put the 2.7 out of my 74 in it. When I was building my 74 I had a moment of cash flow shortage and sold it for 12.5K.

After looking long and hard for another long hood (after my 74 was finished) I again realized just how nice my 67 was I then called up the guy who bought it and purchased it back from him so now I am the 3rd and 5th owner of the car.

So should I butcher a 911t or convert my swb to a lwb. I know that sounds like an easy question but I have spent easily 200 hours working on the 67 and we feel like blood relatives. The other consideration is that A 911t in similar condition will easily bring as much or more money than my car since it started life as a 912.

I realize that if I would have just rebuilt the engine all those years ago and kept it stock that it would be worth approx the same as the money + labor etc IE stock original 912 w/original paint in the condition my car is in would bring 15K today (my opinion) My car in its condition converted to a 911 I paid 15K to buy it back.

The difference is that for me I wanted the HP. The enjoyment of converting it as well as enjoying driving it with the additional ponies is well worth the $ I might loose some day. If you want to talk about loosing money just go buy a new one and watch about 40K disappear in the matter of about 2 - 3 years!