I need paint/part number experts
 

I've been trying to find out if my car is the original color for some time. I found a sheet of paper in all the paperwork with my car and it talks about the options for the car. It lists the "K-15" package with alloy wheels, tinted windows, intermittent wipers etc. It also says "Paint (Color to Sample)" = $580.00 and then it says Paint Part No. 911-095-303 80/624 or G24....not sure if the last number is 624 or G24. Any help would be great.

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How about now?

Everyone back from the weekend? I still need some help from one of you code/part number masters. Thanks again.
Chris

There is a part # 911 095 903 80 624 but it does not include a color. The 303 part # is not in my catalog from 1986. I have not found any other info on that paint in my paint code research as yet.

Thanks dj. I'm really not sure what the part number is for. I always thought paint numbers for 4 or 5 digits. If it's a "paint (color to sample)" I'm not sure how I would find out that it's the original color. Thanks again for your help. I'll keep looking.

Chris

How about the Monday night part number people?

I had a look through my Paternie "Red Book" and can't find any of the codes you've listed. The colour code is usually a 3 or 4 digit code and using 624, I get nothing.

I'm not sure where the colour codes are on your later car, but have a search for a sticker or plaque in the door jambs or trunk.

Sorry I couldn't help more.

For a 74 Targa, I dont belive you have an original color. '74 came in standard colors of light yellow, sahara beige, orange, guards red, peru red, mexico blue, lime green, grand prix white, bitter chocolate.

Special Colors were black, signal orange, aubergine, magenta, royal purple, bahama blue, jade green, irish green, olive, rose red, birch green, gulf blue.

Special Metallic colors were Salmon (thats what I have), blue, gemini blue, ice green, emerald green, silver, copper brown and gazelle.

You have a nice color none the less and it appears to be a Porsche Color, for what year I dont know.

Re: I need paint/part number experts
 

Chris,

You have a Custom color. The factory has always offered an option to get your car painted to match anything.

I believe "color to sample" means just that...a custom color from a customer sample. You've probably got a one of a kind. Pretty cool till you want to do a touch up.

Fishcop, Thanks for looking. Seems like I have a custom matched color. I wonder what the part number I listed is?

c019740, You could be correct. I'll keep looking at other year colors at car shows that I attend. Thanks for the help.

HarryD, The more I look through my paperwork the more I think you and Rich are correct. Thanks for the help.

Rich, Thanks for the help. I have a paint code somewhere. I just haven't found it yet. I'll keep looking...because it's had a couple rock chips in the front since I had it painted in 1995.

Thanks again people,
Chris

Chris, I have done a complete (AFAIK) list of paints for the 914, and that has taken some 20 years. I have been trying to work on the 911 as well because some of them cross over. Also, with the custom colors things can get interesting. 914's have two custom codes, 98 & 99, where 98 indicates an existing paint in the VW & Porsche systems while 99 is a true custom match to a customer supplied sample (that may be an existing paint in another manufacturers system). Your car may be the latter in which case you won't find a match in existing Porsche codes. The original owner that ordered the car would be the best source for help. Such a custom color puts a good premium on the car if it is desirable such as yours appears to be. It can be a curse if you don't know the correct paint code for repainting.

The part number is a regular part code in the paint section, however you had a 303 in the # and I cannot find that section, only a 903 section. Either that is a typo, or it is completely non-standard. My parts price manual is an 1986 version, so that may be part of the problem. It does list a lot of supercessions, so it should not be that bad, however it is 12 years later than your car. The other problem with the paint part numbers is that the description says 'laquer' and is no help at all. The 624 does seem to be in the ballpark for grey though, so that may be a clue. Has PCNA been any help?

Dave

Dave,

Seems like you are an expert at this. I've read in other posts that there would be a "99 or 98" near a vin number or inside the door. Should I be looking for something like that? I think the example was for a pretty old 356. I would love to add to your color catalogue if my paint is indeed the original color for my car. I'm having trouble finding the paint code. I had it when my car was painted in 1995. I'm still looking through my car's paperwork. I didn't think about contacting the original owner. I probably could do that throught the internet.

I'll take a look at the part number again. It's hand written so I may not have read it correctly. I haven't talked to PCNA. Do you think the Certificate of Authenticity would be worth getting or should I contact someone at PCNA? I'll try to get the car out tonight and take some better pictures in the sun. It's supposed to be nice here all week....although my grass could use some rain.

Thanks again for your expertise and time.

Chris

I may be a bit of an expert on the 914, but for any other model I don't know much. A COA for the car would be of some value. For the 914 only the fact that the paint was custom is recorded, not the actual paint color. PCNA may be able to help on the paint part number though. The factory has used many different paint code systems, sometimes several at the same time. The code stamped into the data plate may be different than on the COA, bill of sale or whatever, simply because they used parallel systems. Thus you need to know the crossover lists. The code may also be supplier dependant. The trouble with me guessing the code from the pictures is that the image on my screen may not look like the actual car, and the paint chips I compare with will also be internet images, and also faulty. I'll keep an eye on this thread.

Pictures
 

Here are more pictures of my car. It's really hard to see the color in a picture.

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PAINT CODES...
 

Howdy,

If in fact you have a factory one off paint your option sticker should indicate the paint code: L999. The option sticker should be on the inner right fender well behind the trunk upholstery or under the trunk hood. I also have a factory "Paint to Sample" color. However I've looked long and hard and there is no paint code number. PNA does not have it so when I repainted the front bumper I had the paint matched. Today a good paint shop can duplicate your color.

Here's a web site that will interpret your options codes if you have them. However I just open the site and the "code option" is not working so you might want to check back. http://www.kindel.com/porsche/options.asp

See ya,

Thanks Mitch,

I'll check for that L999 code. I might try to give Porsche a call and see if I have any luck. I also tried the kindle site and the code option wasn't working....I'll keep going back to it. Thanks for the help.

Chris

PAINT CODES...
 

Chris,

I got PNA to look into the L999 paint code for me. Kristen at PNA said that the only way they could come up with the original "Paint by Sample" color was to go back to the original dealer who delivered the car, in my case the dealer was no longer in business. I've finally decided that it's a dead horse. My metallic Strawberry (at least that's what I call it) has some fading being 23 years old so if you had the original color it would need some tweaking anyway.

However I like the fact that I have an original factory paint, but it's a special color.

Good luck,

Mitch,

Metallic Strawberry!...I'd like to see a picture of that. There is a car that could be that color...or close on the the "not so common 911 color" thread. The thread is called something like that.....unless that car is yours. I don't think it was a widebody and the fuchs were the same color...you should check it out. I just called Pcna and they couldn't give me any information. I have a few different numbers so I'm going to try them too and see if I can't get something.

Chris

Steel Gray?
 

Dave,

You may have been correct about 624 being a clue. I found the words "Steel Gray" written in the owner's manual by one of the previous owners. Also, does 624 9-3 mean anything to you. It was written beside the steel gray. Could that be the color code?

Thanks again for your help.

Chris

I'm having the same problem as you, I can't find the paint code either. Are colors look very similar. I'm working on trying to find the code, If I get it I'll let you know.

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Nice Turbo
 

Bman,

Nice car. I like the interior color too. I'm not sure about your car because it's newer than mine but, if you look inside the driver's door there is a plate...or at least there is on mine. The plate says Made in Western Germany and then it says Kunstharzlack....but, below that it shows what I think is the paint code. I'm still waiting to see for sure. In the picture your car looks like mine except it with maybe a little more blue mixed in the paint. Hope this helps.

Chris

I've found the original owner!!!
 

I've found the original owner of my Targa. He will be contacting me next week so I'm excited about asking him about the car. Does anyone know about the paint code that I listed? 624 9-3. I'll post details of my conversation with the original owner after I talk to him.

Thanks again,
Chris

If it helps, my reference book says that in 1972 a special order paint called Beige Grey is refered to with the code 622.

beige grey
 

That may help. You are the second person, I think, that has told me that code was in or around grey, beige shade of colors. I'm hoping the original owner will also help me out.

Thanks again,
Chris

original owner
 

Still waiting to hear back from the original owner. Might be vacation time for him and his family. Anyone else know about these paint codes?

Thanks again,
Chris

Re: Pictures
 

Chris, I think you can add "Carrera Sport Wheel" to your list of options. Those fat wheels are rare birds.

Bill K

carrera sport wheel
 

Bill,

I do like that wheel. By fat do you mean how thick the steering wheel is? It's really comfortable to drive. Thanks for the info. I didn't think they were rare....I've seen them on a lot of cars. Maybe rare for a 74?

Thanks,
Chris

If the circumfrence of your grip is around 4 inches, you've got a special wheel. Another tell-tale sign is the length of the bottom spoke below the pad. Yours looks like the correct longer spoke.

What you are seeing on other cars is the everyday 3 spoke Carrera wheel - thinner grip, the spoke dimensions are a bit different, as is the placment of the horn pad in relation to the outer rim.

Bill K

steering wheel
 

Bill,

I agree. The steering wheel grip is 4 inches around. Thanks for the information. I think the only way I would have seen the difference is if I'd seen the two different wheels side by side. Thanks again for the information.

Chris

After speaking with Porsche and was told I wont be able to find the paint code in the car due to custom paint match I told them no way Porsche would not put the code somewhere in the vehicle.

I was right, thanks to one of the members of the forum that told me where to look. Pull your carpet up on the right fender and you will see the paint code on the sticker.

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Folks, there are two types of "paint to sample." What BMAN has is a color that was a factory color (Slate Blue) at some point; it just wasn't a standard or optional color in the year his car was built. I have a book that shows it available in 1983 and 1984. So, it has a paint code number like all the standard and optional colors over the years and a paint supplier could easily mix that color, since it will show up in their database.

The other kind of "paint to sample" is a little harder to deal with. If Porsche matched a customer's color sample, they won't have created a code and a formula for it that was passed on to the paint suppliers. Sorry, but they won't create a "code" for just one car.

The good news is, it doesn't matter anyway. Your cars aren't likely to be exactly the same color as the day they left the factory. Paints change, over time. They fade a little. The clearcoat changes. That's just the way it is. If you had a can of the exact paint your car was painted with, it may be slightly off compared to the aged paint that is now on your car. In addition, paints have changed over the years, due to incessant government meddling. Glasurit, the supplier often used back then has completely different paint "systems" now. It's not the same stuff and that does make a difference.

A good body shop will use the paint formula as just a starting point. They'll compare it to the car and then add tinting colors to get it closer. It's a bit of an art. Some colors may take a lot of time to get right. Take off your gas flap door, take it to a good paint mixing guy and have him match it for you. Then write down the formula he used and you'll have your "code."

JR

paint
 

BMAN,

That's great! You found your color code. I'll try the same and see if I have a sticker there too. Your color code 661 9 3 is like the code I found in the owner's manual. Mine was 624 9 3. Maybe my sticker will also tell the name.


Javadog,

My paint could very well be from another year. I liked the thought of having a Paint to Sample color...but, I'd rather have a code so the car could be painted the original color and not something matched even though you are right that a good body shop could match it.

Thanks for the info,
Chris

Chris,

624 9 3 does sound like a standard Porsche color code, although I can't find it. I've looked at the 356 colors, the early 911 colors and those for the 914 and nowhere do I see the 624 used as a code. I also don't see Steel Grey, although there was a Steel Blue Metallic in 1974, code 631.

JR

624 9 3
 

JR,

That code is inline with other codes that I've heard about. Do you think it could be a Volkswagen or Audi code? I have no idea...just wondering if they had codes similar to Porsche's codes.

Thanks for taking the time to help out.

Chris

Chris,

Anything is possible, though that 3 digit numeric format doesn't match the format that Audi or VW used. Porsche even changed their color code fomat several times and used different formats for different models and sometimes different formats for the different body plants. They also use more than one code for the same color, year and model of car, so it's hard to say anything definitive. I've searched a paint database using both the code 624 and the color name and haven't found anything.

JR

BMAN,
I don't think I have that same sticker on the inside of the right fender. I guess they did it differently in 1974.

JR,
I think I was told a while back that the color of my car was Anthracite. There sure are a lot of different grays and silvers.

Thanks for your help,
Chris

PAINT CODE...
 

Chris,

I was obsessed to find my paint color as I also had the L999, "Paint to Sample". I've contacted Porsche of North America, I've paid for and received Porsche's Certificate of Authenticity, we even tried to run down the records of the dealer who sold the car. Zip, nada, no way...

I've cooled my jets, I have had the paint matched just like JR's reply and will leave it at that... I agree it shouldn't be that difficult, but it appears that you can't get there from here.

See ya,

paint
 

Mitch,

I'm sure that a good painter could match the color. I'm hoping that the original owner that I've tracked down will know a little something about it. We'll see. I'll post it here if he actually happens to remember what the color is or the story about it.
Thanks,

Chris

These are the 6xx series codes I have found
610 Dolphin Gray
615 Slate Grey
620 White (Light) Gray
621 Cloudy Gray (Fortuna)
622 Beige (Oxford) Gray
624 ?
631 Steel Blue Metallic
661 Slate Blue Metallic
693 Grey Silver

These are from the three numerical digit code list. Porsche sure has used a lot of code styles over the years, and trying to cross-reference them is sure a PITA. All the sites I have found have incomplete and error filled data.

Does anyone know how to decode the paint manufacturer?
624 9 3 is supposed to be paint code 624, body constructor 9 and paint manufacturer 3