Rear three point seatbelt retro fit possible in 78-83 SC?

[qcwang]

In my search, I found that the rear seats on the 911's from 84 and on have the upper bolt to convert the lap belt to a shoulder three point seatbelt. However I didn't see anything (unless I just missed seeing it) in reference to the SC's. I have an 83 and was wondering if it can be converted. On the PEParts web site they did have a three point seatbelt for the 80's and on. I'll give them a call, but wanted to see if anyone had other info.

Thanks!!
Quincy

[steve911]

Quincy--
I've spoken to the guys at PEP and yes I'm pretty sure that pre-84s can be retrofitted for 3-point rear belts. I believe that you drill through the rear deck and firewall to secure the reels.

Not exactly sure where the PEP reel mounts - on top top of the rear deck or below it (like the 84+ cars.) On my '85, I cut away some of the sound padding of the rear deck and mounted the reel to the firewall (the top bolt receptacle was already there as you know from your research).

I had holes cut in the rear deck for the belts and also installed the 'hoods' to finish the installation.

Hope this helps - I posted a bunch of pictures of the completed installation.

[TRE Cup]

be careful on the rear deck install: the oem deck on the later cars had specific reinforced mounts for the assemblies. You may want to think about reinforcing the deck on your car to emulate what the factory did. They reinforcements were welded in at time of manufacture

[qcwang]

Thanks Steve,

I read some of your past posts, thanks for educating me! Looks like I'll have to do some drilling for that upper bolt if I want to do this.

Has anyone else done this? If yes, what was your experience?

[qcwang]

Originally posted by TRE Cup
be careful on the rear deck install: the oem deck on the later cars had specific reinforced mounts for the assemblies. You may want to think about reinforcing the deck on your car to emulate what the factory did. They reinforcements were welded in at time of manufacture

Thank you!! I will look into reinforcing these mounts. Do you happen to know if the deck itself was reinforced to accomodate any stresses from the shoulder belt?

[TRE Cup]

hi quincy
from what it appears (we never cut up a deck to see exactly) the factory welded on receptables that were made from heavy guage metal with threaded inserts for the mounting bolts. I am fairly certain the rear decks on 77 and newer cars were the same ( Coupe for coupe, cab and targa for same; with exception of turbo cars that had a bump for air filter clearance)

[qcwang]

Left a message with Trampas at PEParts and he was nice enough to e-mail me a note and a few pictures. For the SC's it seems a 7/16" hole must be drilled into the package tray (I guess that's the rear deck) he says.


Anyone who has done this?

Thanks!!

Quincy

[DJC911]

I would like to know about this, too. I sent an email to PEP, but never heard back.

[HFR_Racer]

Anyone else have photos??

How about a telephone number for PEP??

Their site is down now.


Thank you,

[Pat Crellin]

Quincy-
I've got an '84 with 3 point belts added in the rear. If you want to take a look at it and check placement for the holes, you're welcome. Just let me know. I can't imagine it would be a big deal to reinforce behind the holes as long as the position of the holes is correct.

[qcwang]

Wow, what timing. I get back from Aase Motors this evening with this being one of the things done and see that this thread has been looked at.

I have been wanting to do this since the thread was started. I purchased the rear seatbelts from a fellow Pelican (I believe originally purchased from PEParts). I was planning on doing this myself this past April 2005 but never had the time (Darn thing called work and family!! Ha Ha! )

So I spoke to Jeff at Aase Motors in Fullerton since I had a 15k mile service I needed. Showed him the parts and what I was looking to do and gave him the pics sent to me from Trampas at PEParts. They did a great job. I'm glad Jeff or Jose didn't get stuck back there in such a small space!!

Also had them put in the third brake light I was also planning to do. Also did a great job!!

Here are pics of the results. Sorry as I don't have pics of the process.


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HFR_Racer,
PE Products phone number is 800-593-8787 from an ad in the Panorama.

Pat,
Do you have any pics of yours?

[qcwang]

Here is that first picture again.

[Pat Crellin]

Just like yours.

My kids are 9 & 5, 9 year old sits in the front now if wife/mom is not in the car.

I thought I'd throw in a pic of my new aluminum gauge bezels.

Yours looks great, you'll like having them.

[indigowhale]

I have an 84 and I take a 5 and 4 year old in it, so the rear shoulder belts are priority. Does anyone know anyone else who sells these? http://www.peparts.com seems to be closed.

[qcwang]

Thanks Pat for those pics!

What booster seat are you using? The one I have is just a tad wide. I see yours fits very well.
Would you happen to have the name and even model number if possible?

Thanks!!

[Pat Crellin]

That seat is a Walmart special. Graco I think.
I found one that I could cut/shape to fit the shape of the rear seat. So a solid flat bottom booster probably won't work.
Ah, the family porsche. This isn't exactly a track car thread is it?

[Pat Crellin]

Indigo -
I got mine from a Porcshe mechanic that also had a few P-cars for sale.
He had a pretty good inventory of surplus parts. Find someone like that & you should be set.
I had purchased a set of 993 rear belts but they didn't fit my car. Later 3.2 or I think 964 is what you need.
Good luck

[qcwang]

HFR_Racer,

Here is a close up of the plastic trim/seat belt guide you asked about. Part number is 911-555-615-01. It is the same trim from the front seat belt. Hope this helps.

[qcwang]

Originally posted by Pat Crellin

Ah, the family porsche. This isn't exactly a track car thread is it?

By the way, what type of curtains are you guys hanging in the windows? I was thinking a frilly mauve tone one with tassels would go nice with mine.

[Pat Crellin]

Yea, mauve but tassels?