HOW MANY 1972 US T's

[John Schaefer]

I was just looking at my white '72T chassis numbers and I noticed that the number is off the scale in my reference books. i.e. - it's #9112103321, and my books list up to 9112102931. What's up?

[Allen_70S]

My two references show the "up to" number you stated. Porsche Panorama mag shows a Special Interest Register for "911T 1969-1973." The contact is Michael Lancial 952-929-2762, thelancials@msn.com. He may have insight that others don't.

Al

[John Schaefer]

Thanks Al,

I sent Michael an email.

[fryardds]

John,

What is the production # for your chassis? Take the lower dash pad off on the passenger side and view the 7 digit # there. Is it 102XXXX?

[John Schaefer]

I will try and check yet tonight. I purchased the car to use as a basis for an RS replica since it already has RS type flares. The motor is a 2.2E

[John Schaefer]

Ya, you guessed it. The first 3 numbers are 102 then there is a oblong/oval hole like the one the knee pad bolt went thru, then the digits 32. It almost looks like there were 2 digits where the oblong hole was.

What's up? Is this a stolen car that has been falsified or something?

[pwd72s]

pic of your car???

[John Schaefer]

I will take photos of the car and the number stampings tomorrow. The car just looks like a real clean white european no sunroof carrera w/ a T dash and gauges, Talbot mirrors, and a cool 935 bronze medallion on the glove box door .

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by John Schaefer

Ya, you guessed it. The first 3 numbers are 102 then there is a oblong/oval hole like the one the knee pad bolt went thru, then the digits 32. It almost looks like there were 2 digits where the oblong hole was.

What's up? Is this a stolen car that has been falsified or something?

Any signs of damage? Front end replaced with a later model version with a different VIN number?

This could be a real problem as if you move to another state many times they pull the kneepad off to confirm the VIN number and if they find two different numbers then they start digging. You might not like what they find...

I would talk to the seller and get everything on paper to protect yourself.

[Christien]

Interesting. Here's the page I usually use to decode early VINs:
http://www.adelgigs.com/911vin%20numbers.shtml

As you said above, US T coupes (911210xxxx) only go to 2931 (according to that site). In fact no model shows 3321 cars produced for 1972. I'm curious as to where your digging will lead!

[pwd72s]

Well, you can eliminate the car I was thinking of...it's silver.... I would be concerned though. Very few reasons to counterfeit a T, and theft history would be one of them...

[fryardds]

Originally Posted by John Schaefer

Ya, you guessed it. The first 3 numbers are 102 then there is a oblong/oval hole like the one the knee pad bolt went thru, then the digits 32. It almost looks like there were 2 digits where the oblong hole was.

What's up? Is this a stolen car that has been falsified or something?

The hole for the knee pad bolt should be to the right of the stamped # like this shows. It will be interesting to see the photos of the various stampings on your car.

[fryardds]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Any signs of damage? Front end replaced with a later model version with a different VIN number?

This could be a real problem as if you move to another state many times they pull the kneepad off to confirm the VIN number and if they find two different numbers then they start digging. You might not like what they find...

I would talk to the seller and get everything on paper to protect yourself.

The seven digit # on the dash has nothing to do with the VIN in a LWB early 911. Only on Porsche production records for each individual car are these 2 #s shown together.

I doubt there was a front clip put on this car because the VIN is much higher than the accepted # of '72 T coupes produced. It is more likely that the VIN has been altered than a front clip IMHO.

[ScottKelly911]

The plot thickens....I can't wait to find out what one of the guru's thinks. Does the sticker in the door sill say a manufacture date? Mine says February 1972, this may give you more information. Is there a possibility that this car was a factory race car or car used for testing/press and then wrecked pre delivery and given a new VIN number? I know they did that with some of the race cars, but I don't think they'd do that with a "lowly" T unless it were a press car. Something's weird definitely though. Keep us updated.

[fryardds]

Scott,

In post #8 the owner states: "The car just looks like a real clean white european no sunroof carrera w/ a T dash and gauges, Talbot mirrors, and a cool 935 bronze medallion on the glove box door". So there wouldn't be a DOT decal on the driver's door latch plate area nor would there be a VIN plate on the driver's side A pilar.

[Christien]

But that VIN is definitely a US car. Digits 4-6 are 210, which means US coupe - should be 250 if it's a Euro coupe (like mine).

[John Schaefer]

Sorry to take so long in getting back with more information. I must admit, I was half scared that this was just a stolen car and didn't want to face the facts if it was.

Well...

I called Porsche COA today, and it is a good chassis number. It is in their system as a 1972 911. No other information like engine/trani type and serial numbers or options given. All they had was the name of one of the previous owners, which I already knew from the paperwork that came with the car ( He owned it from 1996-1999). I don't know if it is OK to post his full name, so I will withhold it. But what I can offer is he appears to be an insurance agent from Minnesota with the first name "Doug".

Here is a photo of the car...

[SCWDP911]

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[John Schaefer]

What do you mean, "sub'd"?

[SCWDP911]

Sorry... sub'd= subscribed

I am interested in how your story turns out... very interesting so far