I missed that in the ad. They need to be recovered? You are right, with only 60K+, they should not need to be recovered.
Thanks for the compliment Larry. That means alot coming from you. Your white car that was in Excellence was astounding.

Here's a pick for peter. Only the driver's sport seat in my car, before I cleaned it good. My son Jackson doing his best to make it look good.

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Augustus,
If you are going to have a PPI done there is a good Porsche shop just down the road. MOTOR SPORTS INTERNATIONAL 12930 NW Cornell rd---503-331-7132

I purchased my 79 SC from NW investment cars. I payed a premium price but it is a exceptional car. I didn't want a fixer upper since my last 3 porsches were just that. When I was shopping for my 911 my Honey told me not to bring home another porsche that leaks oil.

The saying that every Porsche is a $20,000 Porshce pretty much rings true. You either pay now or pay later.

The pre-purchase inspection is a must!!!

Tsunamiboy
Oceanside, OR

If your looking in Portland, here's another. BTW this car was for sale in the early spring, not sure why it's back.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/418074907.html

"Look at what the early cars are going for. I just recently heard of a non original early "T" sell for $75K. If that is the going rate for an early "T", my '77 and Dan's '75 should be easily in the $20K+ range."


Anecdotes are fine, but how about some real data??

The 1975 cars are - in fact - NOT going up.

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[QUOTE=RWebb;3472507]"Anecdotes are fine, but how about some real data??

The 1975 cars are - in fact - NOT going up."

Interesting graphs, but what is the source ,and how authoritative? The year-year variance in the plots looks large, so its a bit hard to judge whether the flatness of the '75 curve is really any different to the more recent upward trend on some of the other plots. And whats happened since 2004?

Sorry to seem pedantic but questioning whether curves that go up or down are real effects is what I do for a living.... :)

$15k for a mid year car? I would think definately no unless you're talking about a true show car with some special history. I nice one would go $6-9K. I have a buddy who's got a nice 75 but the motors been a pain it's whole life, he's had it rebuilt twice for pulled studs and it's due again. He finally sold it to another friend with all problems disclosed for $5k. It's otherwise a very nice example.

I paid $14k for my 82 SC, new paint, Wayne (Pelican Wayne) rebuilt the motor, Carrera Fan update, turbo tie rods, etc. It's not a perfect car. I've added new shocks, SSI's, Recaro C seats, 7&8 inch Fuchs, had it lowered and corner balanced, new rotors and pads. I wouldn't expect to get more than $15k if I sold it.

I should sell it, bought a more track oriented car, but I love the SC for daily driving. Garage space and insurance issues may force it's sale in the spring.

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Graph is WAY off...
 

First, the 'Graph" stops at 2005.... prices for the early Longhoods didn't take off until the end of 2005, and are now thru the roof! A (IMHO) driver condition repainted 1973 "S" just sold on fleabay for over $64K!!!

Decent early "T"'s are selling for $35K to well over $50K for the true top of the line cars... I tried to make a deal on a decent restored '72 "T" last winter for $20K... not a great and original car, but a very nice resto... seller backed out, and later sold the car for $35K... go figure!

Interest is also building for the end of the model run 911SC's ('82 and '83), to the tune of $20 to $25K for nice originals under 75K miles...

Oddly, the 84 thru 89 Carrera's have not kept pace, and have actually slipped back a bit... saw an absolutely MINT 22K mile 88 Carrera go for just $22K... hard to figure... unless the valve guide issue is catching up to them...

So, update that Graph!!!

Yes, I will update the graph as I get newer Excellence copies - which is where the data are from - Bruce Anderson's column on prices. I disagree that the early car prices did not take off until '05 however.

"Interesting graphs, but what is the source ,and how authoritative? The year-year variance in the plots looks large, so its a bit hard to judge whether the flatness of the '75 curve is really any different to the more recent upward trend on some of the other plots. And whats happened since 2004?

Sorry to seem pedantic but questioning whether curves that go up or down are real effects is what I do for a living...."

- No pedantry assumed. It is always good to have a statistician around. Unfortunately, I cannot calculate 95% confidence limits (or any other measures of within year variation) as I do not have either raw data or sample sizes. I once wrote Bruce for this but got no reply, nor did he post yearly summary stats. as I also mentioned. He used to be a technical writer for hp so I assume he knows what's up & the magazine simply was not interested in devoting space to that.

Certainly there are biases in these data - esp. reporting biases. But I cannot think of any likely effect that would alter the yearly trends. Instead all the likely biases I can think of, are one that would merely affect absolute values for each year, so those should largely drop out of a trend analysis.

I think these are a lot better to base discussion on than anecdotes, whether hearsay or personal experience. They also represent actual prices at which cars were exchanged, not asking prices. But they are not going to withstand scrutiny for publication in a scientific, medical, or engineering journal.

Pat, From your lips to God's ears! I WISH I could get that kind of money for my car. Alas, that's not happening....probably EVER. But I suppose, you never know. If I keep it long enough....who knows. Above, someone wrote you can buy nice Mid Years for $6-9K. In my opinion and in California they definitely could NOT be called "nice" for that price.

Now, I like my car a lot and I LOVE Patrick's car - his approach/look was the inspiration for how I did mine....but mine doesn't look as good as his. Doesn't have SSI's yet nor the sweet two pipe mod his has either. My car runs awesome and is an un-rebuilt (far as I know) 128,000 mile 2.7. No pulled/broken studs, had the 11 blade fan in and the TR's OUT very early in its life. Still and all, that is considered a lot of miles for a 2.7. It does have an oil leak that is bothersome; it isn't a big a deal except it leaks on the heat exchangers.

Anyway, here's a couple of pictures of my car from Sunday at the Ventura show parked along side my nephew's '71T - new paint, upholstery, big dollar documented rebuild and rebuilt tranny. I COULD have bought his before the paint/upholstery but the engine had already been rebuilt for $10,500 two years ago. He got to it before I produced the cash. Think that car ISN'T worth $25K+ maybe $30K while I would struggle to get more than $10K?

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Old shot, but under a little better lighting:
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Nice Middies
 

Patrick's car looks stunning and I have seen Dan's up close . . . . very nice example of a middie. These should fetch prices at the top range for sure.

I don't know much about the 75 prices, but I have seen really nice, original condition 74's that have gotten north of $17K. These cars were not concours examples but really clean, rust free, well cared for survivors from original owners, original mileage below 90K miles.

I looked at many, many 74's and finally found the one I wanted. Not many for sale and not many in good original condition. Lots of frankenstein monsters and abused examples. I personally think the middies deserve much more respect. Just my 2 cents.

Here is my 74 in Chocolate Brown:

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Hey, long time no talk. This thread is becoming another extended Mid Year reunion.
Thanks for the kind words about my car. Yours is beautiful and you have the one feature I REALLY wish I had - its a '74 and not subject to smog whereas mine is a '76 and is...damn! Oh well, I'll take enjoyment out of it not rusting!

Seems there are guys like you and I, Patrick and a few others over the years, Sebring77 (now SLO-BOB) and Scott up in...? Santa Clarita? with his very nice Beige Grey car and a few others who spend the time to keep their Middies in top form but lots and lots of them get neglected and have been parted out.

I suppose in some far off future that will result in very few original and unmolested, un-flaired, etc mid years remaining which SHOULD do something for the price of the remaining ones. But It will probably be another 20 years or something.

$15K - Negatory ghost rider the pattern is full

I think any pricing comparisons between pre-73 cars and other 911's is mute. Everyone agrees pre-73's are attracting huge interest and sometimes prices. I don't think that will translate or even influence the 74-77 cars ( excepting a 74 Carrera or maybe a 77 Carrera 3.0 ).

If the seller really needs to sell this car, give him a low-ish offer ( $11K ) and wait it out.

Craig H

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69 911E RS Replica 3.0L 915 Webers
69 911E Original
82 911 IROC Replica 3.8L ( in progress )
93 968CS Daily Driver

HIJACK

Nice!

Does it feel very different to the stock seat?

Are you planning on changing over the passenger seat as well?

You've got me thinking about swapping over to sports seats as well...

Although what I'd like to do is to have the centre of the sports seats retrimmed in the original tartan.

Mine:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~f3nr15/mypic4.jpg

Not mine:

http://www.cartex.de/images/p1g.jpg

http://www.cartex.de/images/p7g.jpg

I've found a source for the original Porsche tartan upholstery, but they want US$317 per square metre! :eek:

/HIJACK

Update:

Seller says the interior is original.

The engine is stock with NO upgrades.

Paint is new. Done the "right way"

mmm...

Get a PPI before you proceed. No way that steering wheel is orginal. If the engine is completely stock and original, a complete rebuild is imminent in the near future. According to Bruce Anderson's Porsche 911 Performance Handbook, mid year engines typically failed at 60K miles due to valve guides. California cars with thermal reactors failed as early as 30K miles.

Dan, the yellow car looks great. But, man that crooked mirror is driving my OCD nuts!:D

I certainly see the draw to 70-73 cars and mid year bastards, But who in there right mind would pay $15K for stock a 74-77?? That's like buying late 70's muscle car.(Where's the Beef?) That kinda dough would buy a real nice SC.

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Of course who am I to judge, some people like the pontiac aztec also.

I have a problem with the concept of buying from a dealer. I would bet those guys paid the last owner $8k tops for that car. If you are going to get a PPI anyway, why not look for a nice car from a private seller? I know it takes time and patience, but I think you'd be better off, especially if you are willing to travel. Have you looked in the classifieds section of this BBS?

Good luck,

Paul.

my '76 came to me with those horrible knuckle skinning door speakers---I might have to look for some electric windows!