Cadillac beats Porsche???

[Jay Laifman]

http://www.world-challenge.com/news/story.php?ID=789

Ok, someone tell me that this is an oddball racing series that Porsche doesn't pay attention to? Or that the Caddy is only a Caddy in badge, and is really some all out race car underneath. Or, that all the Porsche drivers got the stomach flu the night before from their pre-race dinner?

As an aside, I will admit that I actually do like the looks of the new CTS, and the ones I've driven in the past few years are pretty darn nice (as sedans go, not as performance cars).

[Tyson Schmidt]

The CTS is a Corvette disguised as a Cadillac, if that makes you feel any better.

[dsmeyer]

Originally Posted by Tyson Schmidt

The CTS is a Corvette disguised as a Cadillac, if that makes you feel any better.

They are also built and prepared by Pratt and Miller, the same guys that rule GT1 in the ALMS with GM backed Corvettes. They are very well prepared all out racecars underneath.

[Jay Laifman]

But, then, isn't a Porsche GT-3?

(and another note, I am not suggesting that Porsche should win every race it enters. Nor do I think Porsche necessarily builds the best racing cars in the world. I just think there is much humor in a Cadillac beating a Porsche, and not just in a drag race).

[911pcars]

This is the main reason why the CTS caddys are so fast.



....... not entirely, but it helps... a little ..... or enough.

It's not just about going fast. The Pratt/Miller versions also slow down better, or at least better with water sprayed brakes. Ours (water spray, that is).

Sherwood
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[Paulporsche]

The differences include the fact that the GT3 can be purchased by anyone from the factory, driven to the track, and raced in this and other series. The "Cadillac" is one of a few purpose built racecars built by Pratt & Miller for Caddy starting with Corvette mechanicals from the ALMS GT1 car, specifically as a factory backed effort for this series.

[David E. Clark]

It may not be a Porsche but still pretty nice. I'm just sayin ...

[dsmeyer]

Originally Posted by Jay Laifman

But, then, isn't a Porsche GT-3?

The GT3R is raced in GT2 in the ALMS.

The GT3 Cup is raced in the World Challenge Series.

[Komenda Fan]

This is what always bugs me with these series, I mean that clearly isn't a Cadillac, a very impressive race car, but not a Cadillac. Then the governing body lets it run against production based race cars. Same in the Daytona series, where I try to overt my eyes from the ugliest racecars ever designed to look at the GT cars, and there is a full on race car masquerading as a Pontiac racing production gt machines. I guess lots of people don't care, but to me it's not right. This is what I like about the ALMS, there is GT2 for production machines, and GT1 for custom race cars. That's fair by my way of thinking.

[Dantilla]

World Challenge also rewards winners by adding weight for the next race to keep results close. If you keep winning, you keep adding weight.

[teenerted1]

do realize that in the past CADILLAC was one of THE engines to have?

[pitargue]

It's even more of a tragedy that in ALMS GT2, the Ferrari's beat the GT3 RSR's...

See http://www.imsaracing.net/2007/alms/GT2.pdf

[911pcars]

AS I recall, the LMP Caddy was painfully outclassed. Raced a year, then GM called it quits to concentrate on racing street-based cars.

Other than the current Vette and Caddy cars, GM hasn't produced much in the racing scene since uh ............ early TransAm? I'm referring to cars, not adaptations of their SBC engine (saved their a$$). Help me out here.

Sherwood

[Jim Garfield]

Originally Posted by Komenda Fan

This is what always bugs me with these series, I mean that clearly isn't a Cadillac, a very impressive race car, but not a Cadillac. Then the governing body lets it run against production based race cars. Same in the Daytona series, where I try to overt my eyes from the ugliest racecars ever designed to look at the GT cars, and there is a full on race car masquerading as a Pontiac racing production gt machines. I guess lots of people don't care, but to me it's not right. This is what I like about the ALMS, there is GT2 for production machines, and GT1 for custom race cars. That's fair by my way of thinking.

I couldn't agree more. How they can reconcile these tube frame one off cars racing in a production class is beyond me. Pontiac and Cadillac should be ashamed of themselves gloating over their victories in their advertising. What a sham. And shame on the race series' for letting this this happen. I suspect that they assume ( probably correctly ) that most people don't know the difference, and I have to assume that GM is making it worth their while to look the other direction. Why else would the organizers condone this dishonest behaviour? I don't watch the races where this type of thing goes on..... it's worse than NASCAR.

[RWebb]

are you sure it's tube frame?

the CTS is supposed to be a hell of a car - not quite a vette, but durn close (higher body & more luxo stuff)

This is what happens when Wienie-King takes all the $$ away from racing and creates a new SUX --- I mean V. P AG is not a real racing company any more.

"Let's go live in the past."

[Jim Garfield]

Originally Posted by RWebb

are you sure it's tube frame?

I mean V. P AG is not a real racing company any more.

The Pratt and Miller cars are tube frame. They are really well done and impressive race cars, don't get me wrong, they are just in the wrong class.

And I have to disagree that Porsche is not a real racing company any more. They produce some of the most stunning off the shelf race cars that anyone with deep enough pockets can buy. I don't think that any of the other manufacturers can hold a candle to them.

I do agree that the direction of some of the production vehicles is misguided at best.

[JMatta]

The CTS is also a tank...if a competitor gets in your way, just bash into the rear of them and put them out of the race. Who doesn't remember when Papis took out Liddell a couple seasons back? Just give him a bump off the track and glide to victory...(I guess no rules apply to Caddy-Tanks).

[911pcars]

Could it have been brain fade or overexhuberance? Rear end collisions are fairly common in racing; not all are due to excess weight.... but it helps.

Sherwood

[RWebb]

"They produce some of the most stunning off the shelf race cars that anyone with deep enough pockets can buy. I don't think that any of the other manufacturers can hold a candle to them."

Definitely true. BUT that doesn't make them a racing company - not like they were. It makes them a racing products company. I still hate Wienie-King...

[Jim Garfield]

I'm not fond of the Weinie-king accountant/marketing philosophy either. I think that there may be a Weinie - Pieche showdown sometime soon though, although probably more over VW products than Porsche.