Your ignorance shows Steve.....

I quote STEVE STROMBERG from a previous post: "You who live in the EU live under SOCIALISIUM not FREEDOM, blaha, blaha..."

Are you for real???????????

There ARE exceptions, my friend, but this statement shows how ill educated when it comes to the world outside the US many (NOT all!) americans are... how about picking up a history book, or watching some international news occationally?...

Uuuuppps....
This was supposed to be a post under the "guns"-thread, not a new post. Sorry about that!

Guess I'm not entirtely awake yet... (I'm only on my first cup of coffee! )

Bo you are right.

Steve you need to control your temper. I'm one of those who actually likes guns, but even I can see that you react to aggressively. I have taken part in a number of discussions here in Denmark with people who are against guns. Stay calm and tell them how it is. Show them that they have nothing to fear. Sometimes they start to see things from a new angle.

I think Steve needs to get out a bit more.

Steve's propably one of those guys who thinks that the "world news" is news from "out of state". Have you ever been to Europe, or are you just shooting off your ignorant opinion? Huh Steve?

Everyone is entitled to thier OPINIONS. Just because Steve has different OPINIONS than others on the list does not make him a bad person or justify him getting a side bar topic of super flaming.

I would tend to say that most European countries are a democracy that supports more socialist ideals... Otherwise how can you justify a 65% effective tax rate without getting squat back for it? Maybe I should bash the US for how little of my tax dollar gets used for something I can use or agree with!

Plus, Steve must be a great guy if he went to U 0f S.C.! Go Cocks!



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PCA - Peachstate Region

Hey fellas I'm Going Surfing. Think what you like, but I'm still free,are you?

Want to watch? Steve//www.swell.com/sw/getsurfmapsurfbreakreport?alias=venturacam

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Love to know what these freedoms are that the Yanks enjoy and the English don't. Apart from, that is, the right to walk around with guns which most of us can happily live without.

We won't talk about the US's draconian laws on alchohol and pornography, of course.

Steve, I will concede, though, that you get better surfing than we do...

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Philsy!

Hmmm... and we haven't had a Queen (stand when you read this) in power since Hoover left office.. HAHAHA

BO, Comment on this,Steve

Euro-court outlaws criticism of EU
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels









THE European Court of Justice ruled yesterday that the European Union can lawfully suppress political criticism of its institutions and of leading figures, sweeping aside English Common Law and 50 years of European precedents on civil liberties.
The EU's top court found that the European Commission was entitled to sack Bernard Connolly, a British economist dismissed in 1995 for writing a critique of European monetary integration entitled The Rotten Heart of Europe.

The ruling stated that the commission could restrict dissent in order to "protect the rights of others" and punish individuals who "damaged the institution's image and reputation". The case has wider implications for free speech that could extend to EU citizens who do not work for the Brussels bureaucracy.

The court called the Connolly book "aggressive, derogatory and insulting", taking particular umbrage at the author's suggestion that Economic and Monetary Union was a threat to democracy, freedom and "ultimately peace".

However, it dropped an argument put forward three months ago by the advocate-general, Damaso Ruiz-Jarabo Colomer, which implied that Mr Connolly's criticism of the EU was akin to extreme blasphemy, and therefore not protected speech.

Mr Connolly, who has been told to pay the European Commission's legal costs, said the proceedings did not amount to a fair hearing. He said: "We're back to the Star Chamber and Acts of Attainder: the rights of defendants are not respected or guaranteed in any way; the offence of seditious libel has been resurrected."

Mr Colomer wrote in his opinion last November that a landmark British case on free speech had "no foundation or relevance" in European law, suggesting that the European Court was unwilling to give much consideration to British legal tradition.

Mr Connolly now intends to take his case to Europe's other court, the non-EU European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.

Steve - you are not going to make me go there again... from now on, I'm only replying to Porsche-related topics, since THAT is what this board is all about.
You and I don't share the same opinions - the only difference is that I try to be up on things, and know my facts, before making statements..

Hope the surfing was good - I'm a (wind)surfer myself. Current temeparture doesn't allow for surfing here, though..

Hoover? We use Dyson vacuum cleaners in the UK!

At the end of the day, both the UK and US legal systems have their shortcomings. But, let's face it, in practical terms it makes no difference whatsover to ordinary people.

I think we should all be grateful we live in two of the wealthiest countries in the world and we can leave our lives as we please, and are free to speak our minds.

Now, let's get back to Porsches and envying Steve his surfing

We all can agree on One thing we all like Fast cars.Steve

'Hang Ten Steve'
Catch one for me!
I am a 'puke' (windsurfer) but have respect for you purist surfers as have spent alot of time wave jumping in Maui!.
NOW THERES A TOPIC!!!!!!

Oh Geez! This sounds like "Make Up Sex".

Well Chuck,
y'know I like Girls......
But there's nothing like the 'Real Thing!'
(Only kiddin!)