Newer , good ( ?) Fake fuchs ???

[Wil Ferch]

Seeing this posted within a bonafide racers supply web page prompts the question...are these fake Fuchs good, or simply a rehash of known suppliers?

http://www.advancedautosport.com/competition.htm

- Wil

[Moses]

Those appear to be new wheels. Not yet priced. All 15".

[ttweed]

Very interesting. I sent them an email query.

TT

[overman]

E-Mailed AAT:

AAT... Beautiful Wheels.

I'm interested in learning more about your Braid BZ wheels... aka,
Porsche Fuchs. Are these wheels going to be forged or cast aluminum?
Do you plan to finish the wheels in the classic anodized exposed paddle
format as well as the full painted centers? Pricing information... Can
you give your best pricing estimate of the 9 x 15's?

Thanks, Wayne.

AAT's Response:

Hi

We will be able to finish the wheels to customer spec.

They are cast Alu & exact replicas of the Fuchs as they were
commissioned by a European races who needed the wheels to race on and
who was fed up with having to buy a complete car just for the wheels!

Excluding shipping 9x15 BZs will be 341.00 pound sterling each.This is
the standard GB price excluding tax, obviously there are discopunts
available for quantity purchases.

Shipping is an extra cost and to get this we need your zip code

Regards
Alan

ADVANCED AUTOSPORT TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED

www.advancedautosport.com

AAT Terms:~ Two thirds of total order value payable with placement of
order. Remaining third payable when you are advised your order is ready
for collection/delivery

When replying please attach all previous correspondance between us, this
allows us to work more efficiently on your behalf. Thanks.


Registered Address:~ 134 Ogley Hay Road, Burntwood, Staffs, WS7 2HX.
Registration number 3815945 (England)

VAT 738 8074 00

End Response.

341 pound sterling = $ 662.39 (today's rate)

[island911]

Originally posted AAT's Response:
They are cast Alu & exact replicas of the Fuchs .. .

read: CRAP!

. .. that is, they use an original as a casting pattern/mold and pour. ...or is that poor?

[DonNewton]

Crap? How many Porsches are running around on FACTORY-provided cast wheels? Not all are forged, you know.

[the]

Zero Porsches are running around on FACTORY-provided cast wheels which are cast in the design of a wheel which was designed to be forged.

[Noel]

Who among us hasn't considered buying a car just for the wheels?

The Badge...probably yes. But for the wheels. That is funny.

[island911]

Originally posted by the
Zero Porsches are running around on FACTORY-provided cast wheels which are cast in the design of a wheel which was designed to be forged.

Thank you.

Don, take a look at Moses' approach. If you're building a cast wheel, then Design for casting.


just as if you are building a bridge o'pasta, Design for the spaghettii noodles . ..

[snbush67]

Wow....

[DonNewton]

OK, there's no way I'd run with them on the track. About five years ago, I found real, honest-to-god Fuchs with stress cracks after a spirited race weekend at Watkins Glen. All I'm saying is not to dismissively deride a design if you've only seen pictures (admittedly not very good pictures either). In addition, I've seen many PORSCHE cast wheels with stress cracks after track sessions. I sorta have that whole design for purpose thing. . .I'm an ex-mechanical engineer (just like ex-Catholic, I guess) who now has a Master of Architecture. So, I got it. Just don't pile on without complete data.

[island911]

Originally posted by DonNewton
... All I'm saying is not to dismissively deride a design if you've only seen pictures . . .. don't pile on without complete data.

Originally posted AAT's Response:
They are cast Alu & exact replicas of the Fuchs .. .

That information is beyond pictures, and specifically where I drew my conclusion. (that they are CRAP.)

aside: you'll notice that when a forge alloy fails, it is not (usually) catastrophic. ...more like a crack near the center-cap. But when a cast alloy fails ... BANG!

[Dueller]

Makes "fake" Lindsey Fuchs look like a bargain

[GTSinLV]

Hi All,
we had brought acouple of wheels to the US and the quality is first class, except their paint job.
Even Harvey had them finished in the RSR look and was impressed how well they are done and tested.
The downside is the outer lip , which was done for the historic racing application via FIA...



Just pricing due to the EURO is very high incl shipping etc......

[MOMO3.2]

These threads make me appreciate the new 9x16 Genuine Factory Forged Fuchs (alliteration!) I bought from Jason Cullen. You sure can't beat the price or peace of mind either.

Additionally, I prefer the factory and period correct look of the 15" and 16" wheels on air-cooled 911's. I know the tire choices are limited and the 15" tires in particular can be expensive. But, some things are simply worth the price. The smaller wide wheels really help complete the look of the car and sets them apart from the modern, hyper diameter, "check out my 20's" movement of today.

Mike

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by island911

read: CRAP!

. .. that is, they use an original as a casting pattern/mold and pour. ...or is that poor?

eeeeyup! Them there wheels IS NOT FORGERIES! They is CASTERIES!

Verry purty shiny objects fascinate when they spin go round & round (that be a proven) and easy sum up lottsa wheels - Cheap, Racy An' Purty!

Here we go again !

[island911]

Wow - resurrected from a year ago.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by island911

Wow - resurrected from a year ago.

Farcking tempus farcking fugits!

[Trotskyite]

Originally Posted by island911

Thank you.

Don, take a look at Moses' approach. If you're building a cast wheel, then Design for casting.


just as if you are building a bridge o'pasta, Design for the spaghettii noodles . ..

What is that kid wearing? Oh, wheels sound cool too.

[DARISC]

Well, have I got egg on MY face! I did some research and found that cheap gravity cast mysteryalloy wheels have been used in the aircraft industry for YEARS!

Here's an early example:



Here's the nose landing gear from a Super Constellation!



A couple more modern examples:





Here's one of our guys. He may wear a masking tape name tag, but he knows and loves the Chinese wheels on our airplanes (made for the U.S. gov't by the FUK YUAN CHANG TU wheel company).



So I maybe better retract my landing gear, uh..denigrating comments that I've made in the past re cheap gravity cast wheels!