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Help new guy ID what I have here
Ok I picked this up a few weeks ago b/c it seemed like a descent track/street project. I'm just trying to decide which way to go with it. The flares are steel.. (yea I'd like to fill the air intake/exit on the flares, but I'm not sure how to go about it just yet). But the Right rear needs help anyway. If it's going to be 75% street car, 25% track.. but a really serious street car, would you start over again with new steel? (yep I'll be media blasting the thing to start with)
So my question.. What are these flares? the guy I picked it up from didn't really know.. he said it was a European kit. I've been searching the net for a while and haven't really found anything exactly like it. Do you think these are just flares that have just been cut up? When you measure for flare width, from which point on the car are you measuring from and to. Do I estimate where the original metal would have been and measure to the outer edge? How do I determine how much wider these are over stock 1977. The rear bumper is confusing me as well.. it's not like any of the fiberglass after market stuff I have found. The rear bumper is bonded or bondoed to the body? Any ideas on where it came from?     Also does anyone know who makes these rims.. (made in Japan) 19x11 and 19 x 9 ( based on a very quick measure) .... I'll probably sell them this summer, what are they worth? Oh I found this project that looks really nifty if you go in for the wide look... But now I'm not sure if I am totally into the front fenders just yet.  Link here http://www.porschespecialist.nl/fotoalbum_projecten.php?album=Carrera%20RSR%201974 %20replica Thanks in advance. |
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Sure looks like DP stuff to me,...its German.
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not sure but I sure like the wheels..
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Did someone mold the entire bumper/rear fascia into the fenders? And are the flares different from side to side? The white car you pictured has RSR flares in the front....I love that look.
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I also think it is DP - looks just like a car a friend of mine found & bought in a hangar 6 months ago with the addition of slantnose fenders and four round lights in front bumper.
I think the parts where branded with DP - I know for a fact that the car was build like that in Germany back in the wonderful...80´s  It is now slowly becoming a 3.0 RSR
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Thanks for the DP direction. I spent two hours on that last night.. this thing is already a time sucker!
So back in the 80's could you just pick up dp parts in the US and have a body shop stick them on? ( fender flares etc) Or would someone have to order them from europe? I know dp was big on the 935 slant nose conversions and tuning back in the 80's. secondly: yes the fenders are bonded to the rear bumper.. the rear bumper still looks different that most of the dp stuff I have come across. At least with respect to the lower valance on the bumper. The rims I'm not sure about.. they seem light for the size of them. I'm just wondering if they are worth trying to use. The car will be converted to coil overs. |
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I don't think the rear flares are DP. Their body parts were fiberglass or carbon fiber. Hard to tell about the rear bumper. I have a bunch of photos of the different configurations here: http://www.dp935registry.com/index.php?page=picture
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wideRSR - not sure what my friend does and how long he is into the project (he has several 911's) I'll stop by him this week & will check on it
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imho- tear it all off and start over with the look you want. Otherwise you will spending countless hours trying to fix it.
Just know that even the "best" RSR fiberglass available takes some work to make it fit right; the molds have been used a lot and they move around.
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Looks like a serious crack already on the right side.
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As a former Body/paint guy...I would suggest cutting off that hack of a rear bumper (sorry) and start with a clean slate..this will get you the best results and save you many hours of work and headaches... We've seen these come into the shop in the North Bay back in the earlly 90's..what guys did was get the DP rear fenders and instead of buying the rest of the bumper kit just half a$$ the bumper and mold it using FG to the qtr's..never lasts long..as you can see from the good pics posted there is seperation between the bottom of the rear flares and the bumper.."quality"
seems how your one side is already cracking, just gring out all that filler (bondo is heavy) being carefull not to cut into the rear flares and start over from there. You have a good starting point from what I can tell, and it won't take much longer than a couple of hours to cut off that rear bumber.. I'd be very interested to see pic of your progress..looks like a very cool project and a bit different than lots of others we see (mostly RS conv)! BTW you can still find rear bumpers for that, as several have already posted... Good Luck to you!
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911Freak I want to thank you for your opinion. I was leaning toward turning that bumper into garage wall art, but my bud says keep it. I'm happy to start with metal flares.. But I'll be moifying the biga$$ holes... is it going to be a real bugger to fill that front air intake? I have access to a mig, tig and plasma cutter but I'm a little nervous to try this myself. I've done some body work (three cars one CJ-7 way in the past). I'm thinking of doing the bodywork myself and paying for the final prep and spray. The "crack on the right side resulted from a rub on the fender. For removing bodo/fiberglass would you take it to a sandblaster or just work at it with a grinder?
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 Re front intake, I'd say after you sand all the paint and grind carefully all the filler away, you'll see what you have to work with. If the rear flares are DP you can't weld plastic or FG, so filling in that hole should be done with similar composite panel and bonding agent, we used "vette bond" this stuff was desinged for fixing the FG on Vettes, it is rock hard and sands and fills very well, it may be hard to come buy, but any paint supply store worth their salt will know the product and be able to supply you with proper equivalant. If they are steel (doubt) then with some practice to gain your confidence in weilding you could patch that panel, getting the concave/convex shaps will be more challenging than the actual weilding IMHO RE; removing the cracked filler on rear side; I'd gring that away in seconds with a DA and some heavy grit paper 36-120 grit. This is not a candidate for sand blasting...If you were stripping the entire body I'd suggest a complete "walnut shell" treatment. but b/c you aren't grind away.. BTW this same grinding setup can be used to clean out the paint and filler around the bumper on both sides, the areas around the front flare vent etc. You culd do this...it's take a couple of hours of carefull grinding, and afterwards you'll see the flares and how they are attached, the rear bumber will be off, and you'll be well on your way to getting this cleaned up and moving forward  I always suggest DIY, but be carefull and have an experienced friend around to prevent any major "woops", prepping a car for paint is a matter of cleanlyness, patience and knowledge. There are many resources available to help guide your way in areas just outside of your comfort zone. Seems how you have already done this sort of thing, I say you can save quite a bit of $$ doing this yourself.. Mounting Flares is for Pro's (just search here and you can see instances of when even a "pro" can screw up mounting wide flares) but seems how yours are already on, your just cleaning things up and correcting someone elses work.. PM me if you have anymore questions, i'd be happy to assist any way i can
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Re front intake, I'd say after you sand all the paint and grind carefully all the filler away, you'll see what you have to work with. If the rear flares are DP you can't weld plastic or FG, so filling in that hole should be done with similar composite panel and bonding agent, we used "vette bond" this stuff was desinged for fixing the FG on Vettes, it is rock hard and sands and fills very well, it may be hard to come buy, but any paint supply store worth their salt will know the product and be able to supply you with proper equivalant. If they are steel (doubt) then with some practice to gain your confidence in weilding you could patch that panel, getting the concave/convex shaps will be more challenging than the actual weilding IMHO RE; removing the cracked filler on rear side; I'd grind that away in seconds with a DA and some heavy grit paper 36-120 grit. This is not a candidate for sand blasting...If you were stripping the entire body I'd suggest a complete "walnut shell" treatment. but b/c you aren't grind away.. BTW this same grinding setup can be used to clean out the paint and filler around the bumper on both sides, the areas around the front flare vent etc. You culd do this...it's take a couple of hours of carefull grinding, and afterwards you'll see the flares and how they are attached, the rear bumber will be off, and you'll be well on your way to getting this cleaned up and moving forward I always suggest DIY, but be carefull and have an experienced friend around to prevent any major "woops", prepping a car for paint is a matter of cleanlyness, patience and knowledge. There are many resources available to help guide your way in areas just outside of your comfort zone. Seems how you have already done this sort of thing, I say you can save quite a bit of $$ doing this yourself.. Mounting Flares is for Pro's (just search here and you can see instances of when even a "pro" can screw up mounting wide flares) but seems how yours are already on, your just cleaning things up and correcting someone elses work.. PM me if you have anymore questions, i'd be happy to assist any way i can
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just wanted to add: there is a way of reverse molding a filler panel for those rear flare vents. You just need to find an exact same flare.or really close. Then create your own mold using FG and a process that involves tin foil, fg matte, mold making gel, etc... we use to do this all the time when preparing patch panels for race cars that had expensive or rare body panels...
Of course you could just buy the flare minus the vent and cut out the section you needed and go that route...
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Wheels look like these.
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NYNE-11
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MERCAR Custom Convertible
