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175K911 06-11-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mb911 (Post 3997499)
guys this was number 1 welded as a prototype so no real effort went into the welds. My guys are very good welders. I taught a good portion of them at the school I teach at:D

If I come up one Saturday, will you teach me to weld too? That's the one thing I can't do on my own car.

Seriously, your workmanship on my 911R muffler is the best there is.

Buckterrier 06-11-2008 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RarlyL8 (Post 3997705)
A pre-muffler is a small muffler that replaces the catalytic converter.
A cat bipass is a tube that replaces the catalytic converter and has no muffling.


That's kindasortamaybe what I thought. So I'd assume the noise level would be somewhere inbetwixed also? Maybe Ben will chime in. And yes his work is awesome.

oneblueyedog 06-11-2008 07:59 PM

Superb looking. When is the pre-order?

vash 06-11-2008 08:57 PM

MAN! do you sleep with that welder under your pillow? those are great looking welds.

rnln 06-11-2008 11:40 PM

thanks mb911 ,

Buckterrier,
Cat bypass is usually a straight pipe, no more no less. Premuffler usually a muffler in front of the muffler as 83-911SC cab explain below. In this case, it is a small straight through muffler.

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 3997535)
Please excuse my ignorance but can anyone explain the difference between a pre-muffler & a cat-bypass? Thank you


mb911 06-12-2008 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rnln (Post 3998148)
thanks mb911 ,

Buckterrier,
Cat bypass is usually a straight pipe, no more no less. Premuffler usually a muffler in front of the muffler as 83-911SC cab explain below. In this case, it is a small straight through muffler.

Yes thats coorect,

As to the preorder it is kind of over. those that preordered already were the driving force to make me make these. They all have been contacted. Those that haven't preordered Should call pelican and I hope to get details worked out with them today so we can get these rolling out the door

Wavey 06-12-2008 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 3997774)
That's kindasortamaybe what I thought. So I'd assume the noise level would be somewhere inbetwixed also? Maybe Ben will chime in. And yes his work is awesome.

This is counterintuitive, but the premufflers (at least the factory unit) actually make a bit more power that the straight pipe. Source: Anderson's book.

Ditto on the welds Ben - nice work, and nice to work with a guy who gives a ***** about craftsmanship. I may have to replace my Dansk premuffler.

Jgordon 06-12-2008 08:12 AM

Dang those welds is pretty.

JBO 06-12-2008 08:29 AM

How much would one of these muffle compared to a cat by pass? A muffler by-pass is crazy loud with a cat by-pass, but would it be livable with one of these ( I had the idea of a small muffler in the place of the cat and then the muffler by-pass, which would save a bunch of weight from the very back - maybe this would work)?

Super_Dave_D 06-12-2008 09:04 AM

I just got off the phone with Ben. I have his 1/1 with a bypass and he said It should quiet mine down a bit. Needless to say - Mine is on order.

mb911 06-12-2008 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JBO (Post 3998639)
How much would one of these muffle compared to a cat by pass? A muffler by-pass is crazy loud with a cat by-pass, but would it be livable with one of these ( I had the idea of a small muffler in the place of the cat and then the muffler by-pass, which would save a bunch of weight from the very back - maybe this would work)?


Can't say for sure but I think its doable

911st 06-12-2008 12:38 PM

Can you do those with a race cat in it?

rusnak 06-12-2008 12:46 PM

I want to PREORDER one with a race cat, and can you make it pass smog? I want the good welds, and since it's a preorder, I would like a discount too please.

mb911 06-12-2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 911st (Post 3999065)
Can you do those with a race cat in it?


man I just finish 1 product and already looking for the next. I may down the road but want to make these happen first for a while

mb911 06-13-2008 05:48 AM

update Pelican should be set to take orders as of right now. so give them a call

Bill Verburg 06-13-2008 06:05 AM

You will get better results from punching and leaving the cone on the outside of the inner pipe, than from clean drilling(which is what seems to have been done in the pics)

DRACO A5OG 06-13-2008 04:26 PM

Hey Ben,

What kind of Warranty will you be Providing for this Pre-Muff? I heard the fiber glass innerds will tend to burn off over a short period of time causing it to get louder?

Please advise,

Jim

rnln 06-14-2008 12:33 AM

Sorry for my bad that I don't have the anderson's book with me but do you see it has any explanation on why/how it makes a bit more power than the straight pipe or only on experiment?
Thanks Wavey.

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Originally Posted by Wavey (Post 3998506)
This is counterintuitive, but the premufflers (at least the factory unit) actually make a bit more power that the straight pipe. Source: Anderson's book.

Ditto on the welds Ben - nice work, and nice to work with a guy who gives a ***** about craftsmanship. I may have to replace my Dansk premuffler.


rnln 06-14-2008 12:36 AM

Hi Bill,
Just for understanding, is it for smoother air flow from the inner pipe to the fiberclass packing chamber or any other reason?

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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg (Post 4000265)
You will get better results from punching and leaving the cone on the outside of the inner pipe, than from clean drilling(which is what seems to have been done in the pics)


Warviking 06-14-2008 05:02 AM

I believe a 3.2 likes a little back pressure.

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Originally Posted by rnln (Post 4002230)
Sorry for my bad that I don't have the anderson's book with me but do you see it has any explanation on why/how it makes a bit more power than the straight pipe or only on experiment?
Thanks Wavey.



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