First post, '69 911t just obtained, some questions
 

Hello all! Just picked up my first Porsche. Let me start with the short story...

Previous owner stopped driving the car 7-8 years ago when it started "sputtering" on him. His local garage (non-Porsche shop) told him it "probably" needed a valve job so he just parked in his garage where it has sat since. He also had an 89 C2 and that is why he wasn't motivated to go any further with it at the time. He's now done with that phase in his life hence how I got the car.

Upon getting the car home, I realized he had pulled the spark plugs out who knows how long ago. The motor is seized but I hear that the t's pistons will commonly do so when not driven for long periods. I did some thread searching and have read that I could try putting marvel mystery oil in each cylinder. How much should I put in and how long should I let it sit before attempting to turn it over?

Car also has 40mm Webers on it, were they available on the t's or probably just an upgrade?

I'll have many more q's as time comes but this is where I'll start. Oh, in case you want to see what a $450 911T looks like...
http://lh5.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGm4b...jpg?imgmax=512
http://lh6.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGm4h...jpg?imgmax=512
http://lh6.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGm4o...jpg?imgmax=512

Thanks in advance!

Welcome and congrad's.

$450??

Wow, that is awesome. I would drop that engine and go to town on it. Having a few old cars of my own, driving a restored one is like going back in time. Driving your car would make me 4 years old. A 4 year old driving a Porsche. Congratulations on that steal!!!

Sounds like an absolute steal! Congrats!

Oh man, score of a lifetime!! I'll give you double what you paid for it plus shipping to Honolulu:D

Seriously, You have a great opportunity in your hands. Fix it, enjoy it....................keep it

Welcome!

Sounds like you have picked up the most beautiful car model ever built for a song. Congrats!

wow, that's very cheap! great find :)

shame he took out the spark plugs...i bet the cylinders and pistons will be very rusted.

but i guess you have enough repair- and modmoney left ;)

Excellent find! Congratulations! Do some searches here and you'll get all the answers you need, I know I certainly did!

Thanks everybody. I do remember the PO told me he tried to start it recently, I'm hoping he just pulled the plugs then thinking the motor would turn easier. I sent him an email but haven't heard back from him yet. Worse case scenario I'll just get a used running motor and rebuild this one myself.

The car was a once in a lifetime opportunity. The PO knew the car was worth more, he just wanted it out of his garage and with someone who would bring it back. I'm just grateful it's now in my garage.

Dang! Good for you man! Nice find... a work in progress for sure, but dang, $450!!! Why don't any of my neighbors in the area have something like that in their garage.

Good luck with everything and welcome!SmileWavy

$450? Good find!

Congratulations, and let me the first one to say...we need more pictures.

Congratulations! At $450 you couldn't get upside down on that car unless you gold-plated it! How nice to hear something like that going to a true enthusiast instead of someone ready to push it off to Europe. Whatever you do with the car, you're the envy of this board. When she's up and running, drive it like you stole it, because you did!
Again, congratulations and welcome.

Webers came standard from the factory for the 69T.

I think yanking the engine, then placing on an engine stand so the cylinders are vertical would be the first step in freeing up the cylinders. After your first attempts at soaking the cylinders, you can determine what's needed to get the engine back into running condition. Hope for the best but expect the worst. If it's any consolation, T parts are relatively plentiful, but you may be enticed to upgrade.

Nice purchase, btw.

Sherwood

69T, then ('76) and now ('04):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1214950935.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1214950973.jpg

Awwwwww, (in my best Homer Simpson voice) how come that never happens to me??

+1 on more pics.. Congrats!!!

You rascal,...!!! You've a great opp for restoration! Good find!!~!


Best,

Doyle

I'd just pour a "bunch" of MMO in and let it sit a few days or week(s).

Try turning the motor over by hand every once in a while. Say 1 day, 2 days, 5 days, 14 days.

I CALL DIBS ON THE NEXT ONE HE FINDS!!!:eek:

Thanks all. I will soak the cylinders and cross my fingers. I got hold of the PO and he told me his friend pulled the plugs 2 years ago when he last tried to start it. He couldn't beleive the plugs weren't back in there.

All the #'s on the car match so far, only one I haven't checked yet is the tranny. Here are more pics. LMK what you guys think of the condition. Car used to be Irish green per paint code, had been changed to gold at some point. I'm guessing the car must have been done over in the 80's. Windshield moldings and rear glass molding are still soft and pliable with no dry rot! I am amazed by this. Very excited to get this project going.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGrjT...JPG?imgmax=512
http://lh3.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGrjV...JPG?imgmax=512
http://lh3.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGrjW...JPG?imgmax=512
http://lh5.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGrjY...JPG?imgmax=512
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http://lh4.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGrja...JPG?imgmax=512
http://lh3.ggpht.com/enordrum1/SGrjd...JPG?imgmax=512
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Oh, the car found me, I didn't even have to look. I had an ad that stated "WTB: VW or Porsche project wanted" and I got the email.

I also know where a very nice 71 914 W/73 2.0l (carb'd) is, 3 year old paint, minimal rust, $2000. It is a driver and a nice one. I was getting ready to buy it then I came across the 911t so...

mother ****ER how did you find that?

I'm in Md. myself.

Get to know the dorki fellows if you don't already. they'll have you putting a 3.2 in that thing next week!

Looks like the car spent time as a rare Aubergine 911 from the looks of the engine fan and the cam chain boxes.

ahhh my eyes!!! pull that motor pic or make it black and white or something!!!

what's your budget?

evidence of a ***** paintjob makes the thought of stripping and repainting the original color (yet again you are a luck ****er getting irish green and that oh so cool interior color) tough to resist.

Gee, i was thinking it must've been used in some old Chess King advertisements:eek:

It has been gold plated, at least in the engine compartment.:eek:

I will definitely repaint motor trim to origional but I do have other priorities ahead of that.

Really I just want to turn the car into a solid Sunday driver. Body and paint will be addressed, we'll see how it goes.

Now that I've had a chance to better look @ my car I've dicovered I have the aluminum "S" calipers, vented front/rear rotors, stainless heat exchangers, and what appears to be new bursch exhaust (sticker still on it)! Not bad for $450!

All that said, my brake pedal goes to the floor (has been sitting for 7-8 years...where do I start?

If I can't tackle this myself...Can anybody in MD recommend a good Porsche shop?

As far as the brakes are concerned plan on replacing all the rubber lines, rebuilding the calipers and completely flushing the system with new fluid. You may want or need to rebuild or replace the master cylinder while you're at it as well.

If the pedal goes to the floor, it is probably the master cylinder.

+1 on the rubber brake lines, front and back. Brakes are a safety priority.

+1 on rebuilding all four calipers. I would consider having that done professionally. Everything else you can do yourself. The calipers rely on a thin rubber seal, and if they haven't been used, they are probably cracked or about to.

The rotors come off easily. You could check them for thickness specs, but I would just buy new ones.

Don't forget to have the parking/emergency brake inspected.

Grady would say you MUST replace the mc. It's not that expensive.

Again, we need a budget to know where to point you.

One other thing that comes to mind (I don't know if it has been mentioned yet) before you do try to get the engine running make sure to replace all the rubber fuel lines!

Michael, can you talk more about the rubber fuel lines? Is this a DIY? Thanks!

Why is it that unexperienced people get the $ 450 911's? If a shop has to revive this car, it won't be such a special deal by the time all the due diligence is performed. If the owner makes mistakes reviving it, it may be the next 20 K early 911 by the time it's road worthy.

I guess what I'm trying to say is.... send it to me, I'll take care of it. ;) :D

The list is long and tedious, my friend.

Brakes, no 1 issue, do everything.
Gas tank and lines, or you'll hate the car every time it stops running on you.
Tires, no more needs to be said.
De bug, de insect, de rodent as nec.
Clean all elect connections.
Lube all cables and there are many.
Rebuild carbs; fuel pump may be dead too (I wouldn't trust one that has sat dry for 7 years)
Clean out behind engine fan, may very well be critters in there, dead or alive.
New battery(s)
Change tranny oil and engine oil.
Then, start the motor.

And then you can start working on the car. Whew, BTDT.

perfect parts car for a 69S restoration project....
Listen to Milt very good advice!

Whoah. Go buy a lottery ticket too! Nice find man

I'm not sure how many rubber fuel lines would be on a '69 with webbers, but as a general rule of thumb any rubber fuel lines on a car that old should be replaced. In addition, the tank and lines should be cleaned/flushed.

You don't want old hard/brittle fuel lines on any car. I had an '84 928 that split a rubber line from the fuel rail to the injector and sprayed fuel all over the hot cylinder head. I was very lucky it didn't start on fire, I could actually see fuel boiling on the cylinder head!

To answer some q's...

What is my budget? Whatever it takes to make it a solid reliable Sunday driver. Am I prepared to drop 20k in the next month, no...in the next couple years? Yes (I work long hours and have a family, can only find so much time to work on the car). Biggest question should be time line, I don't have a time line, I work on cars as a hobby, could take several years. I've bought, fixed, sold over 40 cars in the last 16 years ("mostly" water cooled VW's which I know are very basic and easy to work on). Although this is my first Porsche I am mechanically inclined and I have turned a few wrenches. I've replaced engines, transmissions, clutches, brakes, head gaskets, timing belts, etc. I am also a painter. This is a car I do not plan to flip but to hang onto and enjoy. I plan on keeping it fairly original and changing it back to Irish Green. I asked for a reputable Porsche shop in MD so I know where to send it for a once over after I get the obvious sorted out.

I will rebuild the calipers, buy a new MC and replace the rubber lines with stainless braided lines (yes I know stainless braided lines would not be original).

I've come to asking questions here because I know most of you guys have gone through what I'm about to go through. I will take all the heads up advice which will help speed this project along.

My things to do list (many sub-categories, I know):
1)Brakes
2)Steering/Suspension (everything appears tight so far)
3)Tires
4)Rust
5)Oil/Cooling
6)Fuel system
7)Drive train

Sorry for the LONG post guys, I do appreciate all the info/feedback you guys are giving me.

Ya ya ya!!
Now, how about some more pictures!!!!:)

IT sounds like you've answered all the questions about your ability to rescue the car (except two - [1] will you wife kill you? (and if not, will she kill you after 3-5 years of this?), and [2] what sort of space do you have?

Best, would be if you had space to separate the body and put it on a rotisserie while putting the powertrain, etc. elsewhere (away from sanding dust, paint spray, etc.) for rebuilding at the same time.

Here is a list of things from critical to minor...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/189572-long-term-commonly-neglected-maintenance-post2955054.html#post2955054

Congrats. An absolutely amazing buy from the looks of it (even with the rattle can gold engine).

From the photos, that hardly looks like a project at all. Check out the thread with the guy who bought the 69s targa that sat in a field in TX for 20 years. Now that's a project car. You're in fine shape by comparison.

My wife has gotten used to me having a "project" in the garage. She is happy its not another VW in there. Space may be an issue. I have been looking into a rotisserie but I only have a one car garage...

There is rust through on the floor @ bottom of gas pedal which indicates leaking MC, also @ driver side floorboard near the rocker. Rest of floor looks surprisingly good.

Oh, and the motor paintjob is definitely not "rattle can" pretty sure it's basecoat with urethane clearcoat. Will definitely blast/repaint.