PCA DE Seatbelt 5 pt?

[cgarr]

Having problems getting an answer to this question from PCA, I am putting in a 5pt belt but need to know can my shoulder belts go back in a V shape to one attachment point in the firewall or do I need two attachment points for the shoulder belts?

[javadog]

I don't know what PCA requires but I would use two mounting points and the firewall isn't strong enough to anchor belts unless you reinforce it considerably. I'd figure a load of at leat 1,500-2,000 lbs. at each anchor point. You also want to cross the belts. Schroth has some good installation recommendations on their web site.

JR

[dad911]

What other equipment do you have in the car? Roll cage? Seats?
Follow belt manufacturer directions, or racing rules if you plan on racing. Good info here: http://www.schrothracing.com/main/Documents

[rattlsnak]

Some regions are different, but if they say 5 point specifically, then it has to attach at 5 points. Two sepereate shoulder, two hips, and one anti sub.

[cgarr]

Well, PCA just got back to me and you cannot use a Y style shoulder with one attachment point, Looks like the stock seat and belts are going back in then.

[KTL]

Craig,

I have a Sabelt 5/6point H-harness that you can use if you'd like. It's a cam-lock system that has two sub-belts of your choice- 5point or 6point. All you'd need is a harness bar (heck, you should make one!) or some eyebolts in the rear seat belt locations to hook these harnesses up.

I had two of these harness systems for both driver and passenger. I sent one to Crow for "rewebbing" since the belts' certification dating were expired. I probably should have saved myself the $100 to re-web since nobody ever checks my harnesses, not to mention the requirement of re-webbing is a load of horseshiat to begin with!!!

Let me know if you want it.

[cgarr]

Kevin, I will take you up on that offer, I would like the belt with the single sub mount. I will fab up a bar, then go over the bar and attach to the rear seat belt mounts?

If you can send it that would be great, I will be in Chicago this weekend but not for car stuff

[911quest]

Remember PCA states if you have 5pt and race seat on the drivers you must have the same setup for the passenger. But you can run a stock 71 911 with 37 year old shoulder belts

[cgarr]

Originally Posted by 911quest

Remember PCA states if you have 5pt and race seat on the drivers you must have the same setup for the passenger. But you can run a stock 71 911 with 37 year old shoulder belts

But I hope thats ONLY if you are taking a passenger or instructor??

[BGCarrera32]

Originally Posted by cgarr

But I hope thats ONLY if you are taking a passenger or instructor??

Easy way around that is to unbolt and remove the passenger seat for the weekend.

Also, in my region at least, 5 and 6 points belts in DE cars must be replaced every 5 years from date of mfg, ala UV degredation. Don't buy used or old belts.

[JMatta]

In the Chicago region, you do not need a harness on the passenger side if solo; if you wish to have an instructor, however, you must have the safety harness setup for each seat, no exceptions (unless you wish to move down to the novice/green group).

[Quicksilver]

Originally Posted by cgarr

Well, PCA just got back to me and you cannot use a Y style shoulder with one attachment point, Looks like the stock seat and belts are going back in then.

Racing organizations don't like the Y belts because if the seat is torn off of its mounts towards the back of the car the Y in the belts will break your neck.

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by cgarr

Well, PCA just got back to me and you cannot use a Y style shoulder with one attachment point, Looks like the stock seat and belts are going back in then.

Regions vary, and rules change regularly, but I ran a Y-style for years until this year when it expired.

Originally Posted by BGCarrera32

Also, in my region at least, 5 and 6 points belts in DE cars must be replaced every 5 years from date of mfg, ala UV degredation. Don't buy used or old belts.

That should be in all regions now.

This is PCAs minimum standards:
http://www.pca.org/members/library/PCA_DE_Guidelines.pdf

[76911]

I'll get started on the bar this weekend while your in Chi-town I have all the demensions and the proper tube.

[cgarr]

Originally Posted by 76911

I'll get started on the bar this weekend while your in Chi-town I have all the demensions and the proper tube.

Excellent! You have the car there too and KTL has the belts so I guess I'm in like flynn!! You all work while I drink

[ShakinJoe]

Guys,

The PCA rule changed this year and if running 5/6 point belts, you MUST have harness slots in seats. This prevents belts from separating and slipping off the outsides of your shoulders during impact.

Also; There is a very good article on "The Science of Seat Belts" in the current (September) issue of Excellence Magazine. I will quote from this article:

A properly-designed rollbar system will position the crossbar just below the drivers shoulders to ensure the proper shoulder-harness angle from the driver to the anchor points.

As a basic rule of thumb, the shoulder harness should travel at no more than a ten-degree angle downward and no more than a 30-degree angle upward angle from the crossbar to the driver's shoulders.

[76911]

The seats do have slots and I also have the two guides on the bar for the shoulder harness to go threw

[KTL]

Originally Posted by JMatta

In the Chicago region, you do not need a harness on the passenger side if solo; if you wish to have an instructor, however, you must have the safety harness setup for each seat, no exceptions (unless you wish to move down to the novice/green group).

You can run in the yellow group (intermediate/B1)with stock seat belts and a race seat. Instructor can be in stock seat with stock seat belts.

This rule is loosely enforced in my experience. When I ran my first event in 2004, the instructor (who was/is a Board member) had for me as a passenger in his car a crappy stock seat with stock belts. Meanwhile he's sitting in a nice new Sparco Evo with 6 pt. belts. Not easy to enforce the rules when the region Admin. are not following them themselves.........

Craig,

Harness is dropped off at FedEx Kinko's this morning. You should see it Monday.