USA, ROW and Canada

[Canada Kev]

I was reading over Wayne's engine rebuilding book and after browsing through some of the appendices a bit of an odd thing came to mind. What I noticed while looking at the engine types and data page was that they were identified as USA or ROW. This will come as no surprise to any here. The interesting part is that Canada is specifically grouped with the ROW engines on many of them. A few times they are not specifically identified and a lower number are identified with the US models.

It is interesting to note that the earlier models don't mention Canada at all. Not until the eighties does Canada rate a specific note. Sometimes Japan is listed with the US but Canada is not.

I know that sometimes manufacturers make cars for Canada a little bit different than the US. Sometimes we get stuff that the buyers in the US don't, and vice versa. Usually, though, they are almost identical.

While we are very close neighbors and friends, and many expect that we are all pretty much the same, did Porsche make the hearts of our cars different? Can one assume that many of the Canadian cars have the higher compression and power of the ROW cars? Are they all like this except for the specifically listed late turbos?

-kevin

[Bill Verburg]

As early as '68 the Cdn and US models were differentiated from RoW models. This coincided w/ US safety and later emissions standards which the Cdn models(for the most part) used as well.

[Canada Kev]

So are you suggesting that the information in Wayne's book is incorrect? Or that the mid eighties turbos are one of the exceptions to the standard?

I realize that the safety and some other rediculous US differences (headlights, for one) are included in the Canadian cars, but this table plainly and specifically indicates that certain engines are equivalent to the ROW cars.

Curious...

-kevin

[tonythetarga]

In The Porsche 911 Performance Handbook (Bruce Anderson) it appears to group the US and Canadian cars, turbo and otherwise, as the same engine spec and engine types. I don't have a copy of Wayne's book that you reference, so I can't say one way or the other, just saying what Bruce has published.

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by syzygy

So are you suggesting that the information in Wayne's book is incorrect? Or that the mid eighties turbos are one of the exceptions to the standard?

I realize that the safety and some other rediculous US differences (headlights, for one) are included in the Canadian cars, but this table plainly and specifically indicates that certain engines are equivalent to the ROW cars.

Curious...

-kevin

I have no idea what is in Waynes book, and the Cdn have some of their own looney regs.

930/60 was a 300hp RoW '78-82 turbo which was also sold in Cdn. in '81 & '82
930/61 was a 265hp 49 state US turbo which was also sold in Cdn in '78
930/64 was a 265hp US & Cdn '79
930/66 was an '83-89 300hp RoW but also sold in Cdn in '83
930/68 was a '86-99 282 hp US but also sold in Cdn in '89

[Canada Kev]

I suppose that is what I figured all along. I was just hoping that we might have gotten something that was different than you guys, more in line with what the rest of the world received. But again we get the same stuff as imposed by the EPA and other American jurisdictions even though we are a completely different country. Oh, well...

-kevin

[Canada Kev]

Yeah, us Canucks have our share of goofy things, as well. Some are actually good though like metric measurements and day time running lights, although the implementation of that is a bit flawed IMHO.

-kevin

[Zef]

Originally Posted by syzygy

I suppose that is what I figured all along. I was just hoping that we might have gotten something that was different than you guys, more in line with what the rest of the world received. But again we get the same stuff as imposed by the EPA and other American jurisdictions even though we are a completely different country. Oh, well...

-kevin

Just FYI...in the 911 3.2 history book from Tony Corlett...the US and CDN cars are listed togheter with same engine numbers...And yup....If you can't beat'em...join'em...

[Christien]

I was always under the impression that CDN cars were the same as ROW cars. This most obvious evidence of this is the headlights - only US cars were sold with the sugar scoop headlight surrounds, whereas CDN 911s had the same headlights as the European cars.

[tonythetarga]

Originally Posted by Christien

I was always under the impression that CDN cars were the same as ROW cars. This most obvious evidence of this is the headlights - only US cars were sold with the sugar scoop headlight surrounds, whereas CDN 911s had the same headlights as the European cars.

Hi Christien,
My first 911 was an 86 I bought in Toronto and it had sugarscoops with normal sealed beam bulbs same as the 86 I bought in New York City. You may be right for other years but the 86 cars were the same north/south of the border.

[Christien]

Was it new from the dealership? It could've been a US car imported into Canada - we've been doing that to save money for years

But if it was new, then there you go - I stand corrected.

[Tim Polzin]

Originally Posted by Christien

I was always under the impression that CDN cars were the same as ROW cars. This most obvious evidence of this is the headlights - only US cars were sold with the sugar scoop headlight surrounds, whereas CDN 911s had the same headlights as the European cars.

Are you sure about the headlights? I thought there was an early harmonization of headlights between the US and Canada and that Canadian headlights sold on new cars for the last 40 years or so were always US DOT compliant.

Tim

[Christien]

Let me say for starters that I'm no authority on this subject whatsoever, aside from importing a few US cars into Canada, so I'm kind of completely talking out of my arse but that said, I doubt CDN cars are US DOT compliant, because we have to have daytime running lights, whereas US cars don't. (though I think they're introducing that in the US now, aren't they?) We've got a whole slew of (mostly inane) vehicle regulations that the Americans don't.