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GLASEM 08-19-2008 08:45 AM

Soft Socket
 
Purchase a soft socket to protect my lug nuts during torquing a vendor in the typical Porsche magizines.

After two episodes of torquing the plastic insert slips and the socket is unusable.

A $30 socket down the drain.

Anyone had better luck and which supplier????

MotoSook 08-19-2008 08:47 AM

Forget about it....never seen one that lasted. Just don't use an impact wrench on the lug nuts and you'll be fine with a 6 point 19mm socket.

pwd72s 08-19-2008 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLASEM (Post 4128167)
Purchase a soft socket to protect my lug nuts during torquing a vendor in the typical Porsche magizines.

After two episodes of torquing the plastic insert slips and the socket is unusable.

A $30 socket down the drain.

Anyone had better luck and which supplier????

Stoddards sells an all aluminum socket...tapered end to prevent scratching wheel paint. I tried the plastic insert one...was disappointed like you. No problems with the one from Stoddards, it handles the 96 ft. pounds with ease.

Porsche_monkey 08-19-2008 10:37 AM

Use a standard socket and put a sandwich bag on the nut. The single layer of plastic fits in the socket and protects the nut. Edit - use a six point socket only, not a twelve point

RWebb 08-19-2008 10:39 AM

I've used my plastic lined one for at least 9 years and I got it used when I bought my first 911. maybe the engineers figure out a way to cheap them out.

I keep my Al socket with the car's tool kit for "emergency" use.

boostfix 08-19-2008 11:14 AM

I am using one from Snap-On and have had it for two years with no troubles so far. Being Snap-On it wasn't inexpensive - about $40.

MT930 08-19-2008 11:16 AM

The Pelican soft socket has lasted. I did destroy the last one (Cheapo). I have had to put new adhesive between the hard and the soft alum insert. I am guessing plastic will not last. Impact drivers will kill them in short order.

burgermeister 08-19-2008 03:21 PM

I have an Aluminium one from Pelican. No issues with it.
The plastic one seemed dicey to me - it can certainly be done, but I figured there is much opportunity for error.

gtc 08-19-2008 04:00 PM

I have the aluminum Sir Tools socket from Pelican. The pin holding the insert came loose, rendering the socket useless. Pelican replaced it under warranty, thankfully.
Edit: and now the replacement has broken as well.

Jagshund 08-19-2008 04:16 PM

I just use my fingers so that I don't have to worry about marking up the lugs. Who wants scratches??

GH85Carrera 08-19-2008 04:20 PM

I bought mine in 1996 and I use a LOT. I never ever thought about an impact wrench on Porsche aluminum lug nuts. I would bet I have used my soft socket 100 times or more to R&R the wheels since I bought it. I never knew there was a problem with soft sockets. I loosen up the lugs with a standard breaker bar. After the car is in the air I use my non impact drill driver to spin off the lug nuts. I always torque them down to 95 lbs/ft. In 13 years I never even thought about replacing my soft socket.

At every autocross the tech group wants to check the torque of every car. I always have my soft socket ready for them. That is just a torque down check but it is another use. I guess I will not let others borrow it anymore.

Mitch Leland 08-19-2008 06:34 PM

I have a plastic insert socket, the other day the insert slipped out for the first time after a lot of use. I wonder why you couldn't epoxy the insert back into the housing?

javadog 08-19-2008 06:47 PM

I have a couple of the plastic-insert ones and an aluminum one. I've had one of the plastic ones (soft-tite brand, made in MD, USA) over 25 years and had no problems with it. The aluminum one is a little harder on the nuts.

Not sure how you guys are wearing them out so fast.

JR

khamul02 08-19-2008 07:26 PM

I have the aluminum one as well. For some extra exterior protection I wrapped it in some electrical tape. Been working for a year with no damage to the new lugs.

jh225 03-06-2009 04:36 PM

Bringing this thread back from the depths.....................

I am in need of a soft socket for my lugs that are getting powdercoated.

I would imagine the Aluminum inserted one will scratch up the lugs, no?

I was looking at the nylon insert one, but it says to break the lug free with a standard socket. Well that makes no sense as a standard socket will surely scratch or chip the coating (or even painted ones).

The lugs will always be hand torqued, so an impact gun is not an issue.

janz 03-06-2009 05:04 PM

I have the one with the aluminum insert held in with an aluminum pin. The pin got loose and pushed inside the socket and I ended up scratching a bunch of new lug nuts. Once I spotted the problem the pin just fell out of the socket, piece of junk. Using the 6 sided steel carefully and damage is very minimal. Don't bother wasting your money on one.

wswilburn 03-06-2009 05:13 PM

I have used the soft socket I bought from Pelican several times over 1-2 years with no damage. I even use it to break the nuts free, but since I am the only one that touches the car, they are never over torqued.

Wayne 962 03-06-2009 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MT930 (Post 4128491)
The Pelican soft socket has lasted. I did destroy the last one (Cheapo). I have had to put new adhesive between the hard and the soft alum insert. I am guessing plastic will not last. Impact drivers will kill them in short order.

We sell the "good" one. I've used mine many times, and it's still perfect. You have to not abuse it though - don't use it for getting off lug nuts that have been on the car for 13 years.

-Wayne

Buckterrier 03-06-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 4527753)
We sell the "good" one.

-Wayne

Glad to here!, (I wouldn't have thought any different). Haven't used mine but just purchased it and new lug nuts for wheels coming shortly.

Mitch Leland 03-06-2009 09:09 PM

I have of the Pelican nylon lined soft sockets that I have used for 2 years to both break and torque my aluminum lug nuts without any problems. I use 90 ft. lbs. on my BBS wheels. Never use an impact wrench with the soft socket to remove or tighten the nuts.

As an aside I use an adapter extension with my soft socket in my 19.2 V drill motor to run the nuts up snug and take them off after using a breaker bar to loosen them.

Brian 162 03-07-2009 05:41 AM

I bought mine from Pelican. I used it alot checking torque settings at DE events. It packed it in last summer. The plastic part seperated from the socket. I think if I can find an epoxy that will bond the nylon section to the socket it will be fine.

berettafan 03-07-2009 06:39 AM

i just have scratches on my lug nuts.

oh the horror.

B D 03-07-2009 06:58 AM

Try using a plastic grocery bag over your nuts to keep them protected while wrenching on them. My nuts still look great!

bonkers 03-07-2009 07:05 AM

Anyone think to try lining a socket with liquid electrical tape?

berettafan 03-07-2009 07:14 AM

B D my nuts need to breathe!

Mitch Leland 03-07-2009 07:15 AM

One more thought if you're gong to do a lot track events you should really have a set of steel lug nuts, then you could use your regular steel socket.

75USCarrera 03-07-2009 07:19 AM

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Try using a plastic grocery bag over your nuts to keep them protected while wrenching on them. My nuts still look great!__________________
68 911L - stay tuned
01 Audi TT QR Tuned
04 Jeep Grand Cherokee
94 Suburban
Might be too much information but good to know!
I'm going to order one of the nylon lined sockets from Pelican!
Hey Does anyone have this set from Griots?
http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/tools/specialty+tools/protective+socket+set.do

I think they are metal inside but have a protective plastic outside.

Greg
___________
75 US Carrera
03 Cab 2
69 Camaro Pace Car

jh225 03-07-2009 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 4527753)
We sell the "good" one. I've used mine many times, and it's still perfect. You have to not abuse it though - don't use it for getting off lug nuts that have been on the car for 13 years.

-Wayne

So you also use yours to break the nuts free? (assuming they have not been on forever) Keep in mind that I am the definition of anal with my cars, and I just got back my refinished wheels, so the lugs are being powdercoated to match the Black color.

I don't mind spending the money on one if it works, but I don't have a bottomless pocket either.

75USCarrera 03-08-2009 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 75USCarrera (Post 4528482)
I'm going to order one of the nylon lined sockets from Pelican!
Hey Does anyone have this set from Griots?
http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/tools/specialty+tools/protective+socket+set.do

I think they are metal inside but have a protective plastic outside.

Greg
___________
75 US Carrera
03 Cab 2
69 Camaro Pace Car

Has anyone ordered these...just wondering?

sc_rufctr 03-08-2009 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by B D (Post 4528448)
Try using a plastic grocery bag over your nuts to keep them protected while wrenching on them. My nuts still look great!

Please be honest. Does this really work at 96 ftlbs?

Porsche_monkey 03-08-2009 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 4529968)
Please be honest. Does this really work at 96 ftlbs?

I use a zip-loc bag. Slightly thicker than a grocery bag, but yes it works at full torque.

m110 03-08-2009 02:42 PM

I bought some new lug nuts and thought "what the hell" and bought the SIR aluminum one that Pelican sells (although I shamefully bought it from another vendor). It broke on the SECOND nut I torqued.

Fleming 03-08-2009 07:19 PM

Soft Socket
 
Went through the plastic soft sockets (many years ago) and after handing over a aluminum deep socket to a local tire shop (yes they tried to torque to 500 lbs - or at least that's what the socket looked like after they were through), they ruined a set of new lug nuts with it too. I went to a deep Impact 6 sided socket (the deep impact is black so it stands out and doesn't get used for any other use).

I run the nuts in with a low torque hand held cordless drill. Have always finished with hand torqued.

With this last new set of aluminum lug nuts if there is any sheen on the edges they get a touch up from a black sharpie.

Love the idea for the 1-2 mill baggy over the nuts, I'll be trying that. Thanks.

jh225 03-08-2009 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche_monkey (Post 4530093)
I use a zip-loc bag. Slightly thicker than a grocery bag, but yes it works at full torque.

Seeing this mentioned a bunch of times got me thinking.

{Sorry, I typed out a big scenario of an idea, then thought twice about posting. If it actually works, I may have a new idea to patent.}


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