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robert walsh 09-24-2008 04:15 AM

911sc winshield question
 
I have an '83SC, the windshield looks great and has no chips or fogging etc., however when diving, toward the sun, there is fair amount of tiny little spec's that show up distinctly, I tried cleaning the glass, with no change at all. I assume, being 25 years old it is from age, is there any way of removing or lessening the light deflecting spec's, or is a replacement in order? That is, ofcourse, if I choose not to live with it the way it as.

Mike Thomas 09-24-2008 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by robert walsh (Post 4198219)
I have an '83SC, the windshield looks great and has no chips or fogging etc., however when diving, toward the sun, there is fair amount of tiny little spec's that show up distinctly, I tried cleaning the glass, with no change at all. I assume, being 25 years old it is from age, is there any way of removing or lessening the light deflecting spec's, or is a replacement in order? That is, ofcourse, if I choose not to live with it the way it as.

It's pitted. My '82's windshield was horribly pitted when I bought it. I consider it a safety issue (glare in morning/afternoon) so it was one of the first things I replaced ($300, done by a glass guy). The difference is amazing. Now my 2004 325's windshield looks pitted to me :-).

Maybe someone else has a way to treat the pitting without a replacement?

robert walsh 09-24-2008 05:15 AM

That was and or is my thought also, i feel no pitting even with a razor blade, can pitting come with age alone, or is it actually wear? I'm in agreement about the glare, not good.

schoward 09-24-2008 06:20 AM

Pitted (or as some wrenches say, 'sandblasted' from years of wear and debris). Replace it.

It will feel like a new car without the horrible glare, which I agree is a safety issue. Had same issue with my 81 and the new w/s is a huge improvement.

If you have any leaks in the W/S seal, prepare yourself to deal with rust when w/s is removed. Mine leaked terribly in the lower right corner before replacement but luckily just a little surface rust that was easily removed and primed during the switch. New seal stopped all my leaks too.

tcar 09-24-2008 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by robert walsh (Post 4198301)
That was and or is my thought also, i feel no pitting even with a razor blade, can pitting come with age alone, or is it actually wear? I'm in agreement about the glare, not good.

It's very tiny little pits from sand. In New Mexico, (sand storms) we really needed a new w/shield every 2-3 years, one year if we had a bad spring.

They are very, very small, can't feel them, but they refract sunlight, and affect your wiper performance.

Replace it, you will be absolutely amazed. Truely.

rnln 09-24-2008 11:23 AM

If it's not pit like other people said. Pit is from the outside, so if you don't feel it when you touch it, it's bubble (from the inside of the glass). There is only 1 way to fix that, that is a new windshield :)

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Originally Posted by robert walsh (Post 4198219)
I have an '83SC, the windshield looks great and has no chips or fogging etc., however when diving, toward the sun, there is fair amount of tiny little spec's that show up distinctly, I tried cleaning the glass, with no change at all. I assume, being 25 years old it is from age, is there any way of removing or lessening the light deflecting spec's, or is a replacement in order? That is, ofcourse, if I choose not to live with it the way it as.


Superman 09-24-2008 01:16 PM

Windshields are "wear items." After a time, they are worn out.

Quite frankly, I have reason to believe the German glass wears faster. Domestic reproductions are actually better.

Superman 09-24-2008 01:21 PM

Oh......and replace the seal when you replace the glass. The "gasket" as it is called. If you can reuse the aluminum trim, great. But replace the seal. And DO NOT use an aftermarket seal. They do not fit.

Okay, one MORE thing. Read the threads here. There are techniques. For example, using the bare glass as a template to re-form the aluminum trim so it matches the glass contour well. If it does not, it will tend to pull the gasket away from the body of the car, causing leaks.

Another trick is to carefully, after the glass is installed, using a piece of wood that has the right curve, tap the trim outward in the corners, especially the two lower corners. The trim and the gasket and the glass must be installed as a unit. The trim CANNOT be installed later. In fact, it is a little tricky to get the trim into its space in the gasket properly. And the rope. It has to be behind a fold that is inside the visible fold.

Herbertkid 09-24-2008 01:21 PM

I have the same issue with my windshield ('86). On mine, there is the antenna inbedded in the windshield. Is the cost of this replacement much more than the standard windshield?

Thanks.

MBAtarga 09-24-2008 03:59 PM

Yes - the internal antenna does cause the windshield cost to be significantly higher.

aigel 09-24-2008 06:25 PM

A pit is a concave crater. Nothing sticking up. That's why you will not feel it with a razor or finger.

George

tdatk 09-24-2008 06:47 PM

Mine has the pitting too, but I can't bring myself to replace it as it has the very cool defroster wires running along the bottom third of it. Sentimental I guess.

robert walsh 09-25-2008 01:36 AM

Speaking of cost, up here in the Adirondacks, seems I can't get a quote to replace a std 83 SC windshield, any idea how how much "installed", general ballpark price.

Mike Thomas 09-25-2008 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by robert walsh (Post 4200275)
Speaking of cost, up here in the Adirondacks, seems I can't get a quote to replace a std 83 SC windshield, any idea how how much "installed", general ballpark price.

Just had mine done in CO, around $300.

tcar 09-25-2008 10:01 AM

$240, came to my office to do it. Denver also.

Would have been $300 if I'd needed a new gasket, but it was only a year old.

slw911SC 09-25-2008 10:43 AM

That WON'T buff right out!:rolleyes:

Kraftwerk 09-26-2008 01:27 PM

Robert Check with the "Glass Doctor" There seems to a few franchises near Albany area..

robert walsh 09-30-2008 04:16 PM

Thanks, seems $350 is about the number, wonder how familiar these guys are with older 911's, would hate to end up with a leaker, a few more call to see about there experience, then getting it replaced. Thanks again.

Formerly Steve Wilkinson 09-30-2008 04:41 PM

Installing an SC windshield is so easy--despite the fact that it initially seems so difficult--that paying hundreds of dollars to have somebody else do it is a huge waste, unless you simply don't have the time, which I can certainly understand.

ramonesfreak 09-30-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Formerly Steve Wilkinson (Post 4211359)
Installing an SC windshield is so easy--despite the fact that it initially seems so difficult--that paying hundreds of dollars to have somebody else do it is a huge waste, unless you simply don't have the time, which I can certainly understand.

ive posted this before but didnt get much of an answer.... where does one source brand new glass so i can install myself?

my gasket does leak, and therefore, i dont see why i should pay to have the glass installed, only to have to remove the glass again to inspect/treat rust, assuming there is some


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