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dimeified 10-21-2008 06:16 AM

Failed NJ Inspection - Missing shift pattern on knob.
 
I failed nj inspection a little while ago, emissions, low tire tread, no front licence plate, and "Incorrect or missing shift pattern on shifter"

I took care of the emissions with a new cat, got new tires all around, the front plate i still need to figure out a way to mount temporarily, but does anyone know of a local store like pep boys or auto zone that would have a cheap $5 rubber knob with the correct pattern on it for a 911?
thanks

trconway 10-21-2008 06:19 AM

Missing shift pattern
 
...and the shift pattern should be there to........assist the car thief?

Tom
Edison, NJ

ROW911SC 10-21-2008 06:22 AM

You may want to consider NJ Collector Car registration, then you wouldn't have to worry about any of the items on your list...

Steve F 10-21-2008 06:23 AM

Cut out a round shape of avery paper , stick it on and draw the shift pattern with an ink marker:D....I know it sounds stupid, but it might get you by the inspection;)

safe 10-21-2008 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimeified (Post 4251434)
I failed nj inspection a little while ago, ...."Incorrect or missing shift pattern on shifter"

For real????

dimeified 10-21-2008 06:36 AM

Its my daily driver, so i dont think i could get the collector registration :(
But yes, this is real. It is hard to believe they would fail me for something so stupid.

dimeified 10-21-2008 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve F (Post 4251456)
Cut out a round shape of avery paper , stick it on and draw the shift pattern with an ink marker:D....I know it sounds stupid, but it might get you by the inspection;)

Yea, i was thinking of getting a plain faced black rubber el-cheapo shifter, and writting the pattern with a whiteout pen.

silverc4s 10-21-2008 06:43 AM

You could probably have the shift pattern on a small plate in the center of your dash, made at any trophy, badge shop.
Then, once you pass inspection, throw it in the glove box for next time...

slow&rusty 10-21-2008 06:48 AM

Wow..thank god I don't live in New Jersey! So do you need advanced permission to also drive on the roads there?

Yuk!

Yasin

Mysterytrain 10-21-2008 06:49 AM

Too funny...I got busted for 'no shift pattern on shifter' about 10 years ago. I fought with those idiots about it but they failed me anyway. In the end I got the car re-inspected at a local STS. I stuck a green sticky dot on the shifter with the pattern drawn on. The STS guys thought it was a hoot and passed me.

safe 10-21-2008 06:55 AM

I would have drawn the pattern on a sticker, and while I was at it put one on the steering wheel explaining left and right.
But it's generally not a good idea to piss off bureaucrats...

jwasbury 10-21-2008 07:10 AM

Amazing!

This is why for me, it makes sense to pay the local indy shop to handle the inspection. I had no idea that NJMVC inspection required the shift pattern to be displayed. I would fail as I have a WEVO shifter. Gee, I'm so happy that my NJ tax dollars are being put to good use annoying motorists with worthless crap like this.

dimeified 10-21-2008 07:35 AM

Do you guys think that this would fit the shifter? $8 free shipping just to get me by. Just too bad it doesnt say "type R" or something silly like that, while i toss my real shift knob up and down in the air while they inspect the car...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-SHIFT-KNOB-TYPE-R-CIVIC-ACURA-LEGEND-VIGOR-VTEC-DC2_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c 65Q3a15Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQha shZitem320311265725QQitemZ320311265725

Rikao4 10-21-2008 07:36 AM

you let those clown in your car..

Rika

crustychief 10-21-2008 07:39 AM

it looks like a 1-5 R type! How much HP gain do you get from that?

dimeified 10-21-2008 08:05 AM

I'm hoping 20 horsepower! If so im ditching my current knob :-)

Rika, i saw the officer stuck himself in the car ass first. His fat legs crushed the driver side raised seat edge as it cried out in pain and agony. He then proceeded to rotate himself and his fat donut injected thighs 90 degrees into a driving position as i heard the leather shriek once again under the force of the thunderous twisting of his oversized buttocks, where he then commented to me on the shift pattern. I guess if i was that loaf i would give a 25 year old guy driving a 911 a hard time too.

As it is i take my wallet out and place it down next to the emergency brake while driving so the buttons on my wallet dont permanently indent the leather, and i weigh 180. You could imagine how tramatic this expirience was for me. I also never twist around on the seat in fear of ruining the leather.

fyi all this happened because i drove myself right into a mobile inspection unit on the side of hook mountain road in pinebrook nj, and i had an expired inspection sticker.

db_cooper 10-21-2008 08:27 AM

If the pattern is required, can you make it a three speed? Classic "H" 1-2-3-Reverse? If you wait till the local doughnut shop has the fresh and hot sign in the window on, the fat guys will "be on break" and you might get a skinny to do the inspection.

DasBoot 10-21-2008 10:21 AM

Tattoo the pattern on the back of your (shifting) hand. That should shut them up.

Or, here are a few ideas to piss them off/waste their time (as they are wasting yours). I can't find the pic of the rat-rod with the .45 pistol welded in place as a shift knob:

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...Untitled-2.jpg

http://www.cemeterysurplus.com/catalog/images/item252.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9...ture006qv4.jpg

http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/file...7/DSC04160.JPG

http://gloriabrame.typepad.com/inside_the_mind_of_gloria/images/2008/04/10/stickshiftknob_2.jpg

RWebb 10-21-2008 10:31 AM

must be a safety issue - not an emissions issue

amazing that they keep track of that stuff

i'd use dbl stick tape on the dash for a small sign, as per post above - cheaper than a knob

keep a digital cam in the car - photo fat boy as he scrunches your seat, then contact his supervisor re any damage
- also asl if there aren't any physical fitness stds. for officers
- and mention that his fat ass will cause higher health car premiums for you as a taxpayer

- if you don't get a good reply, then file a petition for rule-making to create / increase fitness standards under the NJ administrative procedures act...

obviously, officer fatboy is not gonna be your good buddy after you drag his ass thru a bunch of administrative BS - but you can more than make your point...

tcar 10-21-2008 10:36 AM

They aren't the ones that wrote the law requiring a visible shift pattern...

Does it have to be on the shifter? Many cars had the pattern on the dash by the shifter (VW Beetle).

911pcars 10-21-2008 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimeified (Post 4251631)
Do you guys think that this would fit the shifter? $8 free shipping just to get me by. Just too bad it doesnt say "type R" or something silly like that, while i toss my real shift knob up and down in the air while they inspect the car...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-SHIFT-KNOB-TYPE-R-CIVIC-ACURA-LEGEND-VIGOR-VTEC-DC2_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c 65Q3a15Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQha shZitem320311265725QQitemZ320311265725

Unless you're going to use that knob permanently (looks fine btw), I wouldn't waste the $8. Looks like they use set screws and various nylon inserts to accommodate different size shifters, all of which are probably incorrect for our shifters. With a die grinder or equivalent or some al. shims, the knob can be made to fit. Not sure about its proportion relative to the factory knob. Aren't Japanese hands smaller?

DasBoot,
I assume you already had those hilarious shift knob pics in your computer already. Otherwise, I'd say you managed to blow some productive work time compiling them this morning. Or maybe you wasted it in the past and found a convenient way to rationalize that effort. Are they for sale? If so, PM sent. (just kidding) :)

Sherwood

Formerly Steve Wilkinson 10-21-2008 10:42 AM

I should think you can just scrawl it on a piece of ordinary masking tape. Can they possibly mandate the quality, type face or reproduction method? Here in New York, the inspector--local Dodge dealer tech--just rolls his eyes and hands me the sticker, saying, "I'll just say the car didn't have carburetors, no cats, headers and all that stuff when it left MY shop..."

And for your front plate, a couple of strips of Velcro should hold it on.

DasBoot 10-21-2008 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcar (Post 4252159)
They aren't the ones that wrote the law requiring a visible shift pattern...

Are they?

Kill the messenger. That's my motto. If the inspectors get enough grief from the public, perhaps they'll start "waiving" or looking the other way when it comes to shift knobs. An absurd law and a waste of time.

DasBoot 10-21-2008 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911pcars (Post 4252166)
DasBoot,
I assume you already had those hilarious shift knob pics in your computer already. Otherwise, I'd say you managed to blow some productive work time compiling them this morning. Or maybe you wasted it in the past and found a convenient way to rationalize that effort. Are they for sale? If so, PM sent. (just kidding) :)

Sherwood

Nah...just type in "cool/weird/wild" shift knob in Google images and you'll see hundreds.

Porsche_monkey 10-21-2008 10:50 AM

915 Shift Instructions:

1st - Should be up and to the left

2nd - Down and to the right, but pause when you are doing this while driving

3rd - The loose spot straight ahead that isn't fifth

4th - Down and rightish, but not reverse, let the clutch out slowly if you are downshift ing ot make sure it's not in second, especially if you paused on the downshift (see 2nd gear)

5th - Way up and to the right, pretty far away from the driver, passenger help is appreciated if you have a sore back.

Reverse - over to the right and down, but not straight over to the right, go down a bit first then over, then pull back. If it won't go into gear you are too close to fifth, or you need to double clutch. Or both.


Does that fit on a shift knob?

DasBoot 10-21-2008 10:53 AM

LOL. True, true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche_monkey (Post 4252185)
915 Shift Instructions:

1st - Should be up and to the left

2nd - Down and to the right, but pause when you are doing this while driving

3rd - The loose spot straight ahead that isn't fifth

4th - Down and rightish, but not reverse, let the clutch out slowly if you are downshift ing ot make sure it's not in second, especially if you paused on the downshift (see 2nd gear)

5th - Way up and to the right, pretty far away from the driver, passenger help is appreciated if you have a sore back.

Reverse - over to the right and down, but not straight over to the right, go down a bit first then over, then pull back. If it won't go into gear you are too close to fifth, or you need to double clutch. Or both.


Does that fit on a shift knob?


Rusty Heap 10-21-2008 12:27 PM

I like the pen and paper post it note idea, but don't all porsche go in this order from top to bottom?

P - park
R
N
3
2
1

tcar 10-21-2008 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap (Post 4252424)
I like the pen and paper post it note idea, but don't all porsche go in this order from top to bottom?

P - park
R
N
3
2
1

That's only for automatic. This is manual.

All automatics have that pattern by law, not just Porsche.

group911@aol.co 10-21-2008 04:00 PM

How come you guys didn't make all this commotion when the cars were new?
It's just a law. The guy happened to be doing his job.
Hopefully he was as thorough on the other safety items.

Phat Euro Cab 10-21-2008 04:20 PM

I was refused registration during a pre reg. inspection in CT and had to be reinspected in a older american musclecar (with auto) because the aftermarket floor mounted shifter didn't say PRND21. I went and bought sticky paper with #'s and letters. I then returned with nicely done pattern on the drivers side of the shifter. They said that looks GREAT! Now sir can you please turn on the windshield washer? Thats another story.

dvkk 10-21-2008 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcar (Post 4252159)
Does it have to be on the shifter? Many cars had the pattern on the dash by the shifter (VW Beetle).

That's only for 68 and later Beetles. 67 and earlier ones have no shift pattern anywhere.
What the heck would those nazis do to an early Beetle's owner?

HarryD 10-21-2008 11:00 PM

Ah schucks, just use my shift knob

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1224658811.gif

I am sure it will help them boyz out. :D

YTNUKLR 10-21-2008 11:18 PM

I have a black plastic (no clear top) 915 shift knob . Very nice.. $30 shipped.

gshase 10-22-2008 04:14 PM

$100 the inspector would not know the proper shift pattern. I go to a place where they let me drive it for my inspection. Go to a print shop and get a sticker made and only tape it on, should be reusable for 10 years.

motorcop 10-25-2008 05:20 PM

Does not surprise me from those idiots at NJ Inspection stations. I once went with my wifes mini van and they wanted to fail me for "obstructed windshield view" for a 3 inch chunk of snow/ice in the lower left cowl area.....below the area of where the inspection sticker would be located, only obviousely on the inside. I said to the inspector, "you're kidding me, right?" He looked at me with a straight face and said "no" the vehicle failed. I reminded him that it was January, north east, 20 degrees outside, and the best part........NOTHING ELSE FAILED!! CAR WAS FINE!! At this point I refused to re-enter the car without speaking to his supervisor. The keys are in my pocket, engine off, and I'm refusing to move the car....which is now holding up the line of cars behind me. A small crowd of other motorists has gathered and are on my side! Love it. Supervisor shows up to check out the commotion and looks at his inspector after I explain the situation and says the same thing I did....."you're kidding me, right?" The supervisor removes the errant piece of ice, throws it on the floor where it immediately starts to melt from the strong forced hot air, apologizes to me and orders the inspector to give me a passing sticker which he reluctantly does to the roar of cheers from the onlookers! He is then ordered to report to his office. Felt like I hit a home run in the bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, score tied. Can't make this stuff up....only in NJ.

DasBoot 10-25-2008 08:02 PM

I would have pushed/held his face in the ice/snow until it melted then said "There you go"...

P.S. - That's what you get for driving a mini-van. :)

motorcop 10-29-2008 02:21 PM

The wife drives the mini van. I have the 911 cabrio.SmileWavy

widgeon13 10-29-2008 03:17 PM

The guy inspeciting the car probably can't even drive a stick!:D

rnln 10-29-2008 03:26 PM

This is rediculous. Do you have a pistol? **bang** problem will be solved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimeified (Post 4251434)
I failed nj inspection a little while ago, emissions, low tire tread, no front licence plate, and "Incorrect or missing shift pattern on shifter"

I took care of the emissions with a new cat, got new tires all around, the front plate i still need to figure out a way to mount temporarily, but does anyone know of a local store like pep boys or auto zone that would have a cheap $5 rubber knob with the correct pattern on it for a 911?
thanks


widgeon13 10-29-2008 03:32 PM

I'd do the paper nicely taped to the dash, if they give you any **** because it's not on the shifter tell them you can't see it there when you are shifting. The entire thing is just stupid. Some asshat demonstrating their need to demonstrate power over others.


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