factory Carrera CS questions

[TomTurtle]

Originally Posted by IROC

There's a guy here in town that has a light blue CS. I've never seen that color.

Anyone know where one can get one of those "Carrera CS" decals? I've looked for those over the years and have never found them...

I recommend you PM 88clubsport on this forum. He added side decals to his CS racing clone; AFAIK he got them from the UK. He has a great thread on Pelican re: the conversion of his SC to a CS clone with UK side trim and red Fuchs.
Here's the thread: Time to paint the SCarrera

[TomTurtle]

Originally Posted by 911st

Was noted above they had 7&8/15 Fuchs but many (88-89?) seem to have 6&8/16's.

Bet some had 7/16's added to the front.

???

The stock US CSs in 1988 arrived with 7&8/15's and the 6&8/16's were an option. The 6&8/16's became the stock setup in 1989. Some have modified their cars to turbo-like 7&9/16's.

[tcar]

Originally Posted by TomTurtle

I recommend you PM 88clubsport on this forum. He added side decals to his CS racing clone; AFAIK he got them from the UK. He has a great thread on Pelican re: the conversion of his SC to a CS clone with UK side trim and red Fuchs.
Here's the thread: Time to paint the SCarrera

It's 88 Club Sport with spaces. The original is gorgeous. The racing 'clone' is very cool.

He's here in a Denver suburb.

[TomTurtle]

Originally Posted by tcar

It's 88 Club Sport with spaces. The original is gorgeous. The racing 'clone' is very cool.

He's here in a Denver suburb.

Thanks tcar!
I'm trying to get some of the Colorado CS owners to show up at the 2009 Parade; 88 Club Sport (Craig) is a likely contender.

[svb]

Wow stunningly beautiful cars and rare indeed! Thank you Tom!

Through google I've seen quite a few RHD cars in the red and white color combo with red 16" fuchs and a CS script on the hood....what gives?

[TomTurtle]

Originally Posted by svb

Wow stunningly beautiful cars and rare indeed! Thank you Tom!

Through google I've seen quite a few RHD cars in the red and white color combo with red 16" fuchs and a CS script on the hood....what gives?

The car pictured is the UK version of the 911CS; therefore the RHD. Basically the same car as the US version but all were GP White with red Fuchs, "Carrera CS" graphic on the rocker panels and non-catalytic converter engine running on higher octane "petrol" with consequently more horsepower. As mentioned in the Wikipedia blurb, only 53 of these are known to be delivered to the UK; all the other 911CS's had the Club Sport graphic on the left front fender came in a variety of colors including one-of factory special colors such as Gulf Blue, Irish Green, Sunflower Yellow and Diamond Blue Metallic with the typically black Fuchs. I'm told by PCA GB that there was one custom-ordered UK CS in Guards Red - never seen a pic of that one and AFAIK they don't know where it is either!
BTW - theres a CS for sale in La Jolla (the one on Scripps Pier); PM me if you want the contact info.

[GG Allin]

Here's another picture of the one I saw at Road America.

[jtkkz]

My friend use to own NO.#7 of 7 brought in to the US in '89.

He bought it brand new in '89

[MattKellett]

If you get a chance, read the August 2008 issue of Octane Magazine. It features Porsche RS cars including the CS. The amazing thing is the '88 CS photographed has over 400,000 miles !!!! Also interesting to note is how they felt the steering was improved when converted to 15" wheels.

Matt

[TomTurtle]

Very nice car for sure. Its definitely a Euro 911 - you can tell by the side markers, amber taillights and smaller rear bumperettes. I know for a fact that there was only one US CS with a sunroof. I suppose its possible there was a Euro CS with a sunroof, but I've never heard of one - I'll check with my counterpart in the UK to see what he knows; I'll email him this link and see what he says.

[TomTurtle]

Originally Posted by jtkkz

My friend use to own NO.#7 of 7 brought in to the US in '89.

He bought it brand new in '89

That would be Mori! Great guy! Its the same color as mine! The car is in Colorado now - third owner. We're still looking for Number 6 of 7 of the '89's.

[88cs]

The decals are wrong on the white car, I have a real set, there are pin stripes, if you look closely at the UK car you can see them. Plus I have a letter from the late Olaf Lang stating that there was one WW with a sunroof. Tom has it. The same letter says there were two with A/C, I have one.

The most interesting thing about the three is that the service information manual says that you were not allowed to add A/C or a roof. Mine supposedly Stoddard got for a guy as a special, Tom's I believe was ordered by a Porsche salesman for himself. The great thing (to me) about the 88's is that they are serialized, the last four digits are 5XXX, the 5 being the magic number. The US and Canada cars both got them, so you have 22 to choose from.

I have the 15's that came on mine, but I have 16x7 and 16x9" on it now.

[TomTurtle]

Originally Posted by 88cs

The decals are wrong on the white car, I have a real set, there are pin stripes, if you look closely at the UK car you can see them. Plus I have a letter from the late Olaf Lang stating that there was one WW with a sunroof. Tom has it. The same letter says there were two with A/C, I have one.

The most interesting thing about the three is that the service information manual says that you were not allowed to add A/C or a roof. Mine supposedly Stoddard got for a guy as a special, Tom's I believe was ordered by a Porsche salesman for himself. The great thing (to me) about the 88's is that they are serialized, the last four digits are 5XXX, the 5 being the magic number. The US and Canada cars both got them, so you have 22 to choose from.

I have the 15's that came on mine, but I have 16x7 and 16x9" on it now.

Thanks M.! Forgot about the Olaf Lang letter. I sent an email to Steve in the UK. I expect he'll say the same thing. The car in question also curiously has the left fender swoosh.
Later,

[jorian]

The Gulf Blue CS above is a real CS? It has chrome window trim and door handles.

[jackb911]

Yep, it is real. I have driven it.

David's Gulf Blue CS is a "special wishes" car that was ordered in Gulf Blue with the chrome trim by the original purchaser who was a 917 enthusiast. It also has a burgundy pinstripe interior to simulate the red seats that came in 917K's. Sounds awful, but actually looks pretty good in person.

[TomTurtle]

Originally Posted by jorian

The Gulf Blue CS above is a real CS? It has chrome window trim and door handles.

Fantastic one-of color and real for sure.
It was a Euro delivery in the "stealth" mode: chrome vice black trim, no CS fender graphic but included "Carrera" logo on engine cover; all other CS's have no logos on the rear (weight reduction efforts). Beautiful burgundy interior with "Porsche cloth" which looks great with the Gulf Blue.
Quite a find by an owner two or three owners before David; it was purchased from a dealer who, because they were so rare, didn't know what he had!

[911st]

Besides being way cool and rare it should not be to tough to match the 110 weight difference for us normal 3.2 owners.

Removing the spair, jack, and tool kit reduces weigh 50 lbs. The stock batter weights a reputed 65 lbs and can be replaced with one from a Miata or a race batter for 40+ lbs. Take out the seat backs and we are getting close. Then add a cat bypass and SW chip.

Something many do not think of is the weight difference between the 15 and 16's. One site I go to sh-owes the 15's over 20 lbs lighter. Usually 15" tires are a pound of two lighter each for as much as 30 lbs difference.

I wonder, did most CS's have limited slip transmissions and was there any difference in the spring or bushings. I wonder if not having the sunroof which eliminates 40 lbs up so high makes a difference in body roll.

Wish I had one.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by jackb911

Yep, it is real. I have driven it.

David's Gulf Blue CS is a "special wishes" car that was ordered in Gulf Blue with the chrome trim by the original purchaser who was a 917 enthusiast. It also has a burgundy pinstripe interior to simulate the red seats that came in 917K's. Sounds awful, but actually looks pretty good in person.

I'll probably see it on Saturday. David lives about a mile or two from me. The burgundy interior looked out of place at first glance, but in reality it works...

[dsfnctn]

My 88 Club Sport #69

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