Is this a 911 or a 911s

[vmn007]

Can anyone help me?

This is the VIN number I have. It is 307677. Does this number belong to a 911 or a 911s?

[mede8er]

Porsche Red Book.....

The 911 S models were included in the same range of serial numbers as those listed for Coupes and Targas. The S designation will be stamped after the serial number......

[jkarolyi]

If this is a '67 (which I think it is by the VIN), depends on where you read it. If you read it on the driver's door hinge post, or in the trunk behind the gas tank, the VIN should have an "S" stamped at the end of the VIN. If you read it on the metal plate by the trunk latch, there will be just the number (no "S") even if it is a real S.

Best of luck.

[vmn007]

The plate on the front trunk has been removed. The plate in by the engine does not show an s after the vin. The engine nubmer is 960375 which is an S motor. What are teh chances taht porsche put out a car without badging it an S but with an S motor, or someone putting an s motor in a non s car?

Thanks

[Grady Clay]

Those are 1967 911S coupe numbers "S" or not.

VIN 305101S to 308523S
Engine 960001 to 962178


Best,
Grady

[ruf-porsche]

Originally Posted by vmn007

The plate on the front trunk has been removed. The plate in by the engine does not show an s after the vin. The engine nubmer is 960375 which is an S motor. What are teh chances taht porsche put out a car without badging it an S but with an S motor, or someone putting an s motor in a non s car?

Thanks

Front plate missing, hopefully you don't have the front of one car and the back of another. With an engine from another car.

[vmn007]

This is what I am worried about. Did porsche built cars with vins numbers 307677 and 307677s in 1967, or did they build cars with vin number ranging from 305101 to 308522 and pick out certain vehicel to receive an s motor??

[vmn007]

This is what I am worried about. Did porsche built cars with vins numbers 307677 and 307677s in 1967, or did they build cars with vin number ranging from 305101 to 308522 and pick out certain vehicel to receive an s motor??

Does anyone have any other ideas??

Thank you

[sig_a]

Originally Posted by Grady Clay

Those are 1967 911S coupe numbers "S" or not.

VIN 305101S to 308523S
Engine 960001 to 962178


Best,
Grady

How could there be 1245 fewer engines than chassis?

[vmn007]

In 1967 they made chasis from numbers 305101 to 308522. I am assuming some had an s at the end to designated "s". They made 2177 s motors (960001 - 962178) annd they made 3049 regular motors (909001 - 912050) How do I know they an S motor was not taken out of a 911s and put in a non s chasis. The chasis that i am looking at has a vin of 307677 with no s at teh end of it. This is why I am a little confused. Do you know is Porsche made car with the s and without the s at teh end of the vin in 1967?


What do you think?

Thanks a lot for the help Grady

[jkarolyi]

Yes...for '67 only, the S cars VIN numbers were intermixed with the normal 911...with an "S" added for the S cars. The only difference is the "S" after the VIN number. The 1245 extra chassis were for the normal 911 which got the normal engine. Also keep in mind that the quoted number of S and normal engines made went into Targas too, which have different VIN numbers than the coupes.

What really confuses people is that there were far more "S" models built in '67 than the normal 911...strange because an S will fetch 3X what an equivalent normal 911 will.

As for your car, vmn007, it is very common to swap engines around to different 911s because it's simple to do. Please look at the VIN number in the front trunk on the support crossmember behind the gas tank. It's located just in front of the "smuggler's box", the big storage door behind the gas tank. If this number has an "S" stamped after it, you have an S.

The '65-68 models also have the last three digits of their VIN as well as an "S" (if its a '67 S) on the doors. Remove your interior door panels and look approx. in the middle of the door.

[sig_a]

Originally Posted by jkarolyi

Yes...for '67 only, the S cars VIN numbers were intermixed with the normal 911...with an "S" added for the S cars. The only difference is the "S" after the VIN number. The 1245 extra chassis were for the normal 911 which got the normal engine. Also keep in mind that the quoted number of S and normal engines made went into Targas too, which have different VIN numbers than the coupes.

What really confuses people is that there were far more "S" models built in '67 than the normal 911...strange because an S will fetch 3X what an equivalent normal 911 will.

As for your car, vmn007, it is very common to swap engines around to different 911s because it's simple to do. Please look at the VIN number in the front trunk on the support crossmember behind the gas tank. It's located just in front of the "smuggler's box", the big storage door behind the gas tank. If this number has an "S" stamped after it, you have an S.

The '65-68 models also have the last three digits of their VIN as well as an "S" (if its a '67 S) on the doors. Remove your interior door panels and look approx. in the middle of the door.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe all 1967 911S models are identified on the chassis and the engine with an S at the end of both serial numbers.

Not sure about the gear box.

Is this true of false?

[Soterik]

Originally Posted by sig_a

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe all 1967 911S models are identified on the chassis and the engine with an S at the end of both serial numbers.

Not sure about the gear box.

Is this true of false?

False... engine numbers don't have an S at the end. S engines in 67 start with 960XXX or 961XXX

Also, this is an S engine that belongs in chassis #'s 305900 to 306100 (roughly), based on the Early S Registry database.

So, it's probably an S engine in a non S Coupe.

There's a lot of interior "tell tales" for a 67S as well.
7200 Red line tach
Aluminum trim on door tops and rear side window tops
Chrome cap on inside door trigger
Basketweave on dash trim strip, not aluminum fascia
Door pockets have a widened portion towards the rear of the panel
Exterior below door deco is "wide" about 1.5 inches
Ventilated front and rear brakes
4.5 Fuchs
Those are the most obvious off the top of my head.

regards,
Eric