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jury 09-14-2010 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wil Ferch (Post 5560201)
Just trying to be helpful on this fantastic build...so don't take this the wrong way.

1.) I second the motion to ditch the foam-cell-tape weathrstripping. You NEED the in-place channeling effect of proper U-shaped weatherstripping...and I've never seen the taped-side stuff look good after some time. Tends to come off too...... plus are you sure it's closed cell and not open cell anyway?

2.) with regard to the carpet material glued onto the inside surface of the door panel. Let's think this through. In a "normal" street car, it is understood and accepted that rain will run down the outer window surface, and enter the door cavity. That is why there is a plastic sheet vapor barrier placed and glued underneath the inside surface of door panel and trim....that touches the inside mounting location of such a panel. You don't have an "interior" panel,...just a massive "hole"... so that won't work, but in either case if you have up/down windows ( correct?....via strap or such?)....then water WILL collect in the inside of the door cavity and will always wet the carpet surface that is glued to the inside surface of the outer door skin. This carpet will in time always stay soaked and get moldy, not to mention what it does to the glued surface and that it might then cause door rust under the carpet. Do you then want to do this?. OR.....do you hage a "fixed" window (sorry if I missed this) with a slider window- in-a-window ....going horizontally back and forth instead? Then it might be OK as the window lower edge may be sealed or overlaps the outside door surface. SmileWavy


Not taken the wrong way at all, thats why I keep posting, there is always someone who knows more about these things than I do...its great!:)

1. I am going to have another go at fitting the bonnet seal. I think the main problem is that the fibreglass bonner is thicker on the edges than the standard bonnet, hence the bonnet was sitting higher when it was all fitted. I have found a generic supplier of u-channel seal that I could use...for now i will keep the foam seal on the bumpers but I agree with the comments regarding the bonnet.

2. O'yeah...good point......erm......:rolleyes:

Ok I have some options:
1- Leave as is as face consequences
2- Remove the carpet, paint over area and job done.
3- Rethink window mechanism...
a- fixed glass with small window in window slider or flap opener
b- recreate something like this 935 or 904...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/IMG_7063.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/IMG_7074.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...dkqw_27JPG.jpg

I think this is do-able, some aluminum u-section tapped with a drainage pipe and some custom brackets should do the trick?


Thanks again
Chris

Wil Ferch 09-14-2010 12:31 PM

Hmm....935/904 slider is full height and may still have water entry issues..... maybe we should see how the factory did this, even if for rudimentary race duty.... if lower main window edge has a channel/tubing/collector, etc of some sort.

I was thinking more along a smaller portal....like here on posts # 2, #3 , #17, allows lower full edge to be sealed, of course this whole set up will let some water in thru the window itself to some degree, but you get the idea.--->

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/448312-911-slider-lexan-windows-fixed-style.html

thk2c 11-15-2010 02:43 PM

Any updates?

jury 11-15-2010 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thk2c (Post 5675251)
Any updates?

Soon.....life seems to be getting in the way at the moment:)

jury 12-19-2010 12:08 PM

Well I eventually opted for a 911 engine. I was hoping to have it fitted over the Christmas holidays, though sadly its still stuck in the UK due to bad weather etc. At this stage what's another few weeks:)

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...01218-1216.jpg


2.2e 911 engine, complete with Fibreglass tinware, RSR style bracket and also a pair of weld-in mounting brackets. It looks the part.....


Chris

jury 01-10-2011 11:00 AM

I eventually got round to picking up some welding gas. First job was to make the seat bases.

I kept the original early slider bracket (on the sill side) and constructed a basic square frame, with additional weight saving holes drilled

Clamped and tack welded in place...
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000604.jpg

Finish the weld and clean up
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000606.jpg

I got hold of some later sliders. They required alittle bit of drilling to fit the seat base, but now fit into the new frame and seat base a treat.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000615.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000614.jpg

Next job, tackle the central filler neck on the petrol tank


Thanks
Chris

earlyaircooled 01-10-2011 01:50 PM

Hi Chris,

David in Portland here. I found some good "before pics" of the car on my computer, let me know if you want me to email them to you.

wayner 01-10-2011 02:07 PM

Subscribed (better late than never)

la2mtl 01-10-2011 03:10 PM

Chris,

I love the height your car is resting at. Do you know the front and rear fender arc measurements? Sorry if this data has already been mentioned prior... Great project and attention to detail!

Thanks,

Steve

IDGAF27 01-10-2011 06:11 PM

once again, I am glad to be here......Awesom job.

jury 01-10-2011 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earlyaircooled (Post 5775833)
Hi Chris,

David in Portland here. I found some good "before pics" of the car on my computer, let me know if you want me to email them to you.

Hi David, good to hear form you!

It would be great to see those pictures, I will send you my new email address.


Cheers
Chris

jury 01-11-2011 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by la2mtl (Post 5776039)
Chris,

I love the height your car is resting at. Do you know the front and rear fender arc measurements? Sorry if this data has already been mentioned prior... Great project and attention to detail!

Thanks,

Steve

Just went out to the garage with tape measure in hand but realised that I put the car up on axle stands yesterday in preperation to fit the brakes and engine:rolleyes:

Sorry I don't know the measurements off hand, there was not an exact science involved I just adjusted it to what looked good. It will have to be adjusted and setup properly once the engine etc is installed, but it should be fairly close to what it is at the moment.

If its any help the wheels are 16'' on 195/50 r16 tyres

Chris

la2mtl 01-13-2011 02:11 AM

Chris,

Thanks anyway. I sent you a pm with a couple specific questions regarding suspension upgrades. I guess depending on my tire/wheel combination I will have adjust to my preferred ride height.

Steve

jury 01-19-2011 09:38 AM

So I was kindly sent some pictures from David, aka 'earlyaircooled' of the car as it was when it arrived from California (California = no rust???).

This is how I bought it, what was I thinking!

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/CHRIS682.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/CHRIS683.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/CHRIS684.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/CHRIS686.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/CHRIS685.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t.../CHRIS6810.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t.../CHRIS6811.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/CHRIS681.jpg

Irony being, its now pretty much the same colour:)

Chris

jury 01-19-2011 09:43 AM

Not the biggest job in the grand scheme of things...but its looks abit better than the length of wood, and also allows me to get the petrol tank in and out easier during welding

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000631.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000633.jpg

Chris

earlyaircooled 01-19-2011 09:54 AM

That was just surface rust.......right Chris?

I like the hood prop, another nice invention.

Looks like primer gray may have been some inspiration for the color, good choice.

All of us with this "disease" see the diamond in the rough....I have a bad case of it too.

Wil Ferch 01-19-2011 10:11 AM

Chris:
Me again....unless I am mistaken your seat bracket fab pics show the "L" shaped lever arm for fore/aft adjustment....to be on the tunnel-side slider of the driver's seat. Why?.....wouldn't it be better on the left-slider side, nearer the door?:confused:

BoxsterGT 01-19-2011 10:50 AM

:)

Its on the tunnel side so you don't catch it with your shoe while swinging your legs in & out.

Len

:)

jury 01-19-2011 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxsterGT (Post 5794681)
:)

Its on the tunnel side so you don't catch it with your shoe while swinging your legs in & out.

Len

:)


Yep, thats it. Good point:)

Seriously though, theres no particular reason. Its far enough under the seat that it does not interfere with the gear stick or hand brake, yet it works fine.

Wil Ferch 01-19-2011 12:15 PM

Funny....the factory then does it the "wrong" way.....

totle 01-19-2011 12:49 PM

Wow Chris.
Really coming together nicely.
Sub'd

jury 01-21-2011 01:38 PM

These arrived today.....

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000650.jpg






Along with this.....

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000641.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000644.jpg

:)


Chris

felix83 01-21-2011 10:52 PM

What are your plans for the engine?

jury 01-22-2011 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by felix83 (Post 5800326)
What are your plans for the engine?

No immediate plans, it has been rebuilt from the crank up. It started as a 2.2T and been rebuilt to E-spec. Just need to plug it in and see what happens:)


Cheers
Chris

911roman 01-25-2011 12:28 PM

Have to say, this has become my favorite thread on any car site. Very impressive work and very inspiring.

paul kanjanapas 02-26-2011 08:06 AM

Amazing journey

jury 03-08-2011 11:42 AM

Just whilst I procrastinate about doing some more important jobs...


Luggage brackets plus an old bag strap...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010040.jpg


Ok its not quite the same as a 917's, but for the 55cents I spent on a 'HOLZKUGEL' I think I can live with it

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010048.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010046.jpg

Thanks
Chris

rennch 03-09-2011 07:51 AM

Awesome build. And I'm (for obvious reasons) a big fan of the color. I love shiny grey with cool accents. I'm going with some red perf leather seats in mine.

jury 03-27-2011 11:58 PM

The transformation from 4 to 6 finally starts...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010058.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010061.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010073.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010078.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010077.jpg

Now just the small matter of welding it together...

Chris

Fred-T 03-28-2011 04:08 AM

whoa! just cached up with that thread. you are an inspiration my friend.

356RS 03-28-2011 06:59 AM

Very creative. Great job.

k8atu 03-28-2011 08:19 AM

I have to add my two-penneth here - Fantastic journey mate - and many thanks for sharing it with us all. Sub'd, and good luck.... You're kind of sort of nearly there :)

jury 06-12-2011 09:42 AM

I went to Spa Francorchamps afew weeks ago for a Classic event from the same organisiers as Classic Lemans, it was great!! So inspired and motivated (again :rolleyes:) I am ready for the long haul to get this thing finished...

Centre fill Tank measured/aligned and tack welded in place...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000647.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000645.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1000646.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3271.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...centretank.jpg

jury 06-12-2011 09:45 AM

Rear 'seat' area fabricated and bolted down...amazed it fits. I originally started this area in the USA 3 years ago and managed to find the original tracing paper patterns! After 4 house moves!!

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3244.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3245.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3250.jpg

Get the metal break out again...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3252.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3259.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3276.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3274.jpg

jury 06-12-2011 09:52 AM

Nice new shiny bits...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3279.jpg

All torqued up just waiting for the paint on the ARB parts to dry and then they can be fitted.


I really like the look of the 904's 910's etc which have the black headlight bowls. I quickly mask one of the bowls to get the effect, its abit distorted because of the lens, but I think it could look nice...providing it doesn't effect how bright the light is.

Original...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3264.jpg

Black...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3263.jpg

Compare and contrast...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3267.jpg

When all else fails there's no better feeling than putting a sticker on :)...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/102_3262.jpg

...and making something again just because you can, after finding a scrap piece of leather at work:rolleyes:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/P1010136.jpg


update of wiring, gearbox and engine install to follow....soonish I hope


Cheers
Chris

bavaria911 06-12-2011 05:36 PM

Chris,
Please tell us more about cutting the hole in the hood for the gas cap. What tool did you use and can you show pics?
Thanks,

jury 06-13-2011 09:57 AM

Sorry, I can't find any photos of the process but all I did was cut a basic hole using a 2inch hole saw bit attached to a drill and then sanded the remainder of the hole to the correct diameter, about 5mm bigger than the cap, using circular (bobbin??) sanding bit attached to the drill...

HOWEVER...

The most important information I received about the placement of the hole is as follows...

From each rear corner of your trunk lid, measure 32-3/4" diagonally towards the middle of the lid. Where the two lines intersect will indicate the center point of the hood-opening.....assuming you have covered a small area in that general location with blue masking tape so you mark it with a pencil.

Then, to doublecheck and ascertain that you are in the ball park, measure from that point directly towards the rear edge of the lid ( along the longitudinal axis of the car). You should be reading approx.19-1/2"



I actually used 19-3/4 as the final measurement, but theres not much in it. I am also using a later/space saver compatible tank. This has a larger flat area on top of the tank to mount the filler pipe.

Hope that is useful:)

Chris

jnewman 06-13-2011 12:28 PM

Unbelievable project. Hats off to you man, we are not worthy...I just spent most of the afternoon at work just reading this thread from the start and marveling at the pics (fortunately the boss is out of town :)).

thk2c 09-03-2011 10:40 PM

any updates????

micheloaks 09-07-2011 09:35 PM

chris

you may have sorted the window slider - water ingres issue. But why not seal the top of the door with an alum fabricated channel that will cap the opening and allow you to fix approprirate details to allow sliders - the original early mini's had sliding windows with a cool door opening detail. They worked stayed dry.


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