The latest MFI magic from BURN_BROS

[Henry Schmidt]

Take a look at this new end cover manufactured by Aaron of BURN_BROS fame.
This is a one off proto-type but if he gets enough demand we might get him to produce them.
Looks an awful lot like an RSR race pump, except he added a boss for cold start thremastat or a Supertec enrichment device.
BURN_BROS

Factory RSR

[jcge]

Nice work Aaron/Henry - a touch of 917 for your 911 (the bottom photo above is from a 917, not an RSR - the 912 part number gives it away vs the 916 number for the RSR (other subtle differences too)

In any case, I'm sure you'll have plenty of interest - great work integrating the thermostat boss into the "old school" rear cover.

Just a small note, the 2 top screw bosses are smaller than your proto - about 12mm versus the bottom 4 (about 16mm) - at least according to my drawings....

Will it be drilled for the DIN 908 plug ?
Aluminium or Magnesium ?
Does the installed plate maintain the original MFI pump dimension " f " ?

Again - great work !!


(C) Robert Bosch GmbH

[Henry Schmidt]

Isn't it interesting , the minutia that thrives in a gysmo's mind ? I'm surprised you didn't comment on the material. The RSR was mag not aluminum. I guess you missed that one ?

Aaron did a great job making a practical part with a nostalgic feel.
The part fits the production pump and RSR and 908/917 part will not. If we want the part, some compromises have to be made.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

This may be a really dumb question, but what does it do? Why would I want one for my E?

[euro911sc]

Just curious, is it the extra boss that makes this part cool or is this some special RSR only part that is very hard to find and does not come on the production MFI engines?

Best regards,

Michael

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

This may be a really dumb question, but what does it do? Why would I want one for my E?

You probably don't want this on your "E".

Originally Posted by euro911sc

Just curious, is it the extra boss that makes this part cool or is this some special RSR only part that is very hard to find and does not come on the production MFI engines?

Best regards,

Michael

The benefits are that it has a racy (RSR) appearance and offers less places for leaks.
Their are people trying to transplant Mercedes parts to achieve this appearance. This gives you the appearance without the cost.

For the purist there is always a real RSR pump. $15,000.00 should get you a worn out one.

We build engines like this 3.4 twin plug that might benefit from such an upgrade.

[confused]

MFI is so sexy!


Henry and Aaron, what about adding some type of dial or fitting that would make adjusting the idle speed a little easier? I see this cover is missing the sprung idle adjuster. I haven't thought it through yet but would that work?

Like most MFI owners I love to twist and turn and grunt trying to find the right idle adjustment! I bought a expensive long snap on 1/4 extension with a lock so I would stop loosing my expensive swivel socket into the fan shroud every time I try tuning a pump. Still not an easy adjustment....

I plan on running MFI on my 914-6 soon. How the hell am I going to adjust the idle speed on the pump with the engine in the car?? The 914 firewall is not accommodating to that adjustment without cutting a hole in the firewall. More grunting and bending I guess.

[jcge]

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt

.....minutia.....gysmo......I guess you missed that one ?

Henry - I wasn't throwing stones - I think it's great, and has a market. ..... and I like minutia - sorry if I've offended as it wasn't my intent.

I asked 3 questions, because I'm interested...

Will it be drilled for the DIN 908 plug?
Aluminium or Magnesium ?
Does the installed plate maintain the original MFI pump dimension " f " ?

Regards
John

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by jcge

Henry - I wasn't throwing stones - I think it's great, and has a market. ..... and I like minutia - sorry if I've offended as it wasn't my intent.

I asked 3 questions, because I'm interested...

Will it be drilled for the DIN 908 plug?
Aluminium or Magnesium ?
Does the installed plate maintain the original MFI pump dimension " f " ?

Regards
John

You have to get used to Henry. He's lobbed a couple of boulders at me, so it's not necessarily you. I think the ideal Supertec customer is rather informed but doesn't ask a lot of questions. Henry seems to want to build what you want and what you need at the same time.

That's quite an ability in itself.

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by jcge

Henry - I wasn't throwing stones - I think it's great, and has a market. ..... and I like minutia - sorry if I've offended as it wasn't my intent.

I asked 3 questions, because I'm interested...

Will it be drilled for the DIN 908 plug?
Aluminium or Magnesium ?
Does the installed plate maintain the original MFI pump dimension " f " ?

Regards
John

John: nice job of editing your oringinal post. Had your post been posted as it is now, I would not have commented on it.


My purpose was to get Aaron to produce this piece.

I posted my friends part because it is art. I thought if enough people saw his work they might generate a market.
You saw a Picasso and questioned the use of green and noted that her eyes weren't symmetrical.

I see this lack of understanding as frustrating and expressed my frustration.
Nothing personal, just an honest reaction.

[MassGuy]

Man I read this and all I could think is.......That guy is a whiny dick .
I could be wrong but it is the way the thread plays out.
BTW I dont know any of you guys so.......whatever.

[javadog]

Henry,

That's a nice part; it is very well made. It's nice to see companies taking on projects such as this. I'd love to see more of the "unobtainium" parts reproduced in some fashion, in enough quantities to allow some sanity in pricing. That seems to be the future of the Porsche world.

Cheers,
JR

[BK911]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

This may be a really dumb question, but what does it do? Why would I want one for my E?

+1.

Ok, I understand Shaun probably doesn't want one for his E. But the original question still remains, WTF does this thing do?

I think it's awesome you guys are making 'better' stuff for our cars. It does look nice. I want one and I have no idea what it does!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by BK911

+1.

Ok, I understand Shaun probably doesn't want one for his E. But the original question still remains, WTF does this thing do?

I think it's awesome you guys are making 'better' stuff for our cars. It does look nice. I want one and I have no idea what it does!

Bonus if we could get a full description of what it does without a rude and condescending tone.

[Henry Schmidt]

Just to be clear, hopefully you'll excuse the rude or condescending tone.
Supertec has nothing to do with this part.
I have nothing to gain by the production of this part except, if Aaron chooses to make it I will get to buy it.
The part is just a cover for a Porsche MFI fuel pump.
It offers little benefit other than it replicates (not exactly) the cover on 906, 908, 917 and RSR pumps.


I find it amazing that so many of you (men?) are so sensitive about tone.
If you are annoyed or offended by my style, I apologize but perhaps you should put me on your ignore list. It will hurt my feelings but I think I will survive.

As for MassGuy: Thanks for your insightful contribution. I look forward to more when you choose to chime in. Cheers or....... whatever dude.

[Laneco]

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt

We build engines like this 3.4 twin plug that might benefit from such an upgrade.

Gahh.... Just when I think I've seen the 911 engine of my automotive wet dreams, Henry throws yet another object up for me to lust after....

I just need to figure out how to pick winning lottery numbers!

angela

[Clay Perrine]

Originally Posted by confused

MFI is so sexy!


Henry and Aaron, what about adding some type of dial or fitting that would make adjusting the idle speed a little easier? I see this cover is missing the sprung idle adjuster. I haven't thought it through yet but would that work?

Like most MFI owners I love to twist and turn and grunt trying to find the right idle adjustment! I bought a expensive long snap on 1/4 extension with a lock so I would stop loosing my expensive swivel socket into the fan shroud every time I try tuning a pump. Still not an easy adjustment....

I plan on running MFI on my 914-6 soon. How the hell am I going to adjust the idle speed on the pump with the engine in the car?? The 914 firewall is not accommodating to that adjustment without cutting a hole in the firewall. More grunting and bending I guess.

I have MFI on my 914/6. It is very cool. Much easier to adjust the pump, and you don't have to go through the fan. I use a very short screwdriver to make the pump adjustments. I can help you through the mounting, connection and adjustment procedures on your conversion.

BTW... are you making a cover for the MFI pump belt? If not, you need to.

And my new 4.0L 964 based engine is going to run MFI...

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Bonus if we could get a full description of what it does without a rude and condescending tone.

I just reread your question and my response and I'm at a loss.
Your question was:
"This may be a really dumb question, but what does it do? Why would I want one for my E?"
And my response was:
"You probably don't want this on your "E"."

....edit.....

The benefits are that it has a racy (RSR) appearance and offers less places for leaks.
Their are people trying to transplant Mercedes parts to achieve this appearance. This gives you the appearance without the cost.

What part of my response to you was "rude and condescending"?

[Clay Perrine]

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt

You probably don't want this on your "E".

Henry,
Do you have distributors like this one to fit a 964 engine? If so, how much? I need one with a mechanical advance.

Thanks!

[Henry Schmidt]

The supertec GEN II twin plug distributor can be built to fit any application.
They cost $ 2,280 and are built to order. The price includes cap, rotor, green ignition wire and wiring diagrams.
Turn around time is about 2 weeks.
Here are a few pictures of the Gen II. Note the bearing under the rotor for long life and precision rotation.
The top distributor is for 30mm (2.4-3.6) cases and the bottom distributor is for 27 mm (2.0-2.2) cases