What's darker, Signal Green or Viper Green?

GaryR · GaryR's Garage

Never having seen the two together or in person (knowing which it was) I want to use the deeper (darker) of the two. I suppose I can compare the two formula's on the Glasurit site but I would like to hear opinions..

Embraer · Embraer's Garage

here's my old '73S in Viper Green. (yep, I painted it in my garage) From what i've seen, signal green appears to have a bluish hint to it, although, in the certain light, Viper Green would share the same hue...especially while being photographed.

GaryR · GaryR's Garage

Just printed out the formulas for both on the Glasurit site. To add to the confusion there are 4-5 different codes for each color. I picked 038 VIPERGRUEN and 078 SIGNALGRUEN in the 55 color line. The Signal Green has two formulas, one 2002 and one from 2003, both containing six tints (yet to be looked up).The Viper Green had four formulas, all from 2006, but each one shows a step 1 and step 2, each with very different compositions (Step #1 has 3 tints, #2 has 5, similar but different).. I have no idea what they refer to. Was there a base coat of color overlayed by a finish coat of different color??

sc_rufctr · 07-02-2009, 06:43 PM

Just to add more confusion this is Furngruen (My car)
Darker than either....

Apologies for the phone cam pic.

Embraer · Embraer's Garage

when I painted mine, I planned on just doing the hood, front fenders, with a blend into the doors/A-pillars. It turned into a whole car respray, for that very reason...NONE of the formulas coming up in the books matched the original paint (not due to fading...but really just different formulas altogether.)

GaryR · GaryR's Garage

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Originally Posted by Embraer

when I painted mine, I planned on just doing the hood, front fenders, with a blend into the doors/A-pillars. It turned into a whole car respray, for that very reason...NONE of the formulas coming up in the books matched the original paint (not due to fading...but really just different formulas altogether.)

That's what i'm afraid of. I may just try and get a PPG Signal Green and try it on a scrap panel, then adjust it from there... Ideally it will come out like this -

GaryR · GaryR's Garage

Ok, deciphering the Glasurit charts tells me there are 5 codes but only 3 that are different. Code 22S has two distinct formulas, Code 078, 217, and 6829 are the same and have two distinct formulas, and Codes 7810 and 7878 are the same, with two formulas. Now i'm down to only 6 possible formulas!

djpateman · 07-03-2009, 04:26 PM

Well, 078, 7810 & 7878 all mean code 78 as used in 1970 & 1971 for color # 217, and the 6829 is the code used in 1968 & 1969 for color # 217. From 1972 on through 1983 the code was 217, the same as the color #; they smartened up and unified them. Color 217 is signal green, so far there is only one color we are taking about, and there should be only one formula, at least for one manufacturer, and one paint type. If they had baked and unbaked formulas, then you might have two recipes.

GaryR · GaryR's Garage

If you print out the formulas for 22S, 078, and 7810 (use the multiple option) on the Glasurit site (all Signal Green) you will see that each is a different formula, hence producing a different color (yes?). Each of these codes also has 2 different formula dates, and those are different formulas also, hence the 6 different formulas I noted. Have no idea what baked or unbaked means regarding the Glasurit color site. I have all six printed out sitting in front of me, all contain 6 tints, but each paint code uses 3-4 different tint codes.

sfoster13 · 07-03-2009, 05:20 PM

you're going to make me jealous. I love both of those colors. Just found out that my 71 was Irish Green from the factory...like that one as well.

No pumpkin this time?

GaryR · GaryR's Garage

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Originally Posted by sfoster13

you're going to make me jealous. I love both of those colors. Just found out that my 71 was Irish Green from the factory...like that one as well.

No pumpkin this time?

You should of had me refinish your suspension while it was apart, i'm going to talk to Dan about the possibility of offering that in the future. Simple matter of sandblast/beadblast, prime and paint!

Let's return your car to Irish Green!

djpateman · 07-04-2009, 10:20 AM

Gary, all I can say is that the majority of the codes (I don't know the 22S) leads to the same color number 217. Why they had so many formulas for it I don't know. Maybe they could not leave well enough alone, but more likely are the various tints they used. It might be a good idea to ask the paint supplier which formula they can still make up. If all of them purport to be the same color it might be hard to go wrong. The Glasurit supplier should be willing to work with you and make you satisfied; afterall, you will be spending a big dollar with them.