i continue to believe this was the entire reason for the initial post. lots of views on a car for sale.

George - many shops will not even do PPIs anymore for fear of being "liable" if they give a positive finding on a car and it turns out to be a dog. There's a horror story going around about a Ferrari that had a PPI done and the shop "missed something". In an "up" market, the car would simply have been sold on, but given current market conditions, the owner gets his attorney involved and pretty soon the legal bills add up to more than the car is worth!

Great read.

Pre-purchase Ferrari Inspection Becomes $182k lawsuit

http://www.sportscarmarket.com/img/c...tr-lowchdj.jpg

Three owners and many thousands of miles earlier, the car had probably thrown a rod. The San Francisco shop didn’t see the need to mention this

Pre-purchase Ferrari Inspection Becomes $182k lawsuit | Sheehan Speaks | Sports Car Market

George - many shops will not even do PPIs anymore for fear of being "liable" if they give a positive finding on a car and it turns out to be a dog. There's a horror story going around about a Ferrari that had a PPI done and the shop "missed something". In an "up" market, the car would simply have been sold on, but given current market conditions, the owner gets his attorney involved and pretty soon the legal bills add up to more than the car is worth!

Great read.

Pre-purchase Ferrari Inspection Becomes $182k lawsuit

http://www.sportscarmarket.com/img/c...tr-lowchdj.jpg

Three owners and many thousands of miles earlier, the car had probably thrown a rod. The San Francisco shop didn’t see the need to mention this

Pre-purchase Ferrari Inspection Becomes $182k lawsuit | Sheehan Speaks | Sports Car Market

Just read this story... OMG what a mess!

I can not believe all this erupted because of a one inch "patch" on the engine.
A thrown rod? Probably but it could have been anything... Even something done at the factory.
After all the car was built in the late 60s or early 70s.

There is just no way to know for sure....

Thanks for posting. This underlines the importance of effective communication with clients and mechanics.

would NEVER sue for a bad PPI. lesson learned, move on.

had a well known and respected race shop do my ppi and while they did catch front pan rust they diagnosed the popping/spitting webers as dirty idle jets. turns out the throttle shafts were looser than a jersey girl on spring break. how does an experienced race shop miss that?

if i ever buy another ppi worthy car i will be sure to have a very specific list of things to be looked at and written results. and i will be present. if i can't come back in the shop and watch/help then i'm not doing the ppi with you. happy to sign a release of liability in trade for this.

oh and it will be a $400 or so ppi. these $150 deals just aren't thorough enough given the potential costs associated with old Porsches.

my $450 ppi was my thrump card to lower the asking price $3K so i guess i got a good ppi/deal. .. but two specific items i asked the tech to look at, pass door central lock not locking and passenger power seat not working fore and aft.. he said they were both motor/servo related and it turns out it was a linkage for the lock and just a dirty contacts for the seat.. both done for less than $2. that part cost me the extra $50 in the ppi.

so you guys are expecting diagnostic services during a PPI? Perhaps they should be PPI&DSs?

no he asked me if i had found any issues while i had the car overnight and i just mentioned the two items to him. i didn't ask him to do anything as it was one of my buying points i had noted. he went ahead and tried to diagnose the issue, then charge me .4 hours. the work was already done, what could i do plus i wanted to get the car worked on by them in the future.

And that does leave me with one final comment. I wouldn't have removed the name of the shop from the posts. I think a thread like this shows that there are some real stand up independents in our midst. I don't think this thread is bad press for the shop. I think it speaks to what sort of people are out there who are willing to try and help out a P-car owner in a bad situation at the expense of good business sense. Business sense suggests just kicking John out of the shop and getting on to the next job. But that's not what they've done. They've offered to work with him and help him out. That's being a member of the P-car community and not just making it about the money. These are the kind of people that I personally and professionally want to do business with. It's those kinds of shops that I want selling and installing my parts because there's more to this business than making money. There's people and passion behind these cars and time and time again I've seen that there is a community of people here, and for that I am thankful. John, you have a choice in front of you. You can choose to become one of us, or you can choose to walk away

+1
Just got done reading this mess! If I have the math correct this guy could have a pretty cool 911 with a rebuilt engine by a VERY reputable shop, (endorsed by some respected Pelicans)
for around 15K, all in?
Some just don't get it! They are all 20k cars!
Good to hear about the good shops out there who seemed to want to do the right thing. If I lived near this shop they would certainly be on my short list!

Don't want to high jack the thread, but, Berettafan, where do Jersey girls go for Spring Break? Thanks.

Anybody who wants to seriously know the name of the shop for a good reason, other than blatant curiosity, e-mail me at stephwilkinson@verizon.net

Or go to post 37 of this thread and google;)

Looks like a stellar operation.

I don't know how shops today stand it. Whether it's some moron claiming the shop blew their motor or customers coming in and telling them "how can it be that much, I saw on Pelican all you need to do..." or better yet, "that's not how this guy did it on Pelican..." they are in a no-win situation with anyone but the old school customer that just wants their car fixed and trusts the shop through a relationship built over years.*


sure looks like a nice place.
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except for Motormeister of course.

Attention shop owners, make sure you put release and waiver language in the PPI Also exclude attorneys' fees provisions in the PPI contract/invoice. There are too many weasels with money who do not know where to put a spark plug. There are too many desperate lawyers out there that will run up outrageous fees only to make the shop pay when the weasel car owner wins.

If it doesn't sell, you can always raise the price!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/512890-1973-porsche-911t-half.html

"only problem is car needs motor/motor will not turn/ only little surface rust/19,500$$$ takes in now"

And then he woke up.......

What is wrong with that hood anyhow? It always appears to be unlatched.

What is "/permatunigion/"?

Price is going up.

Maybe potential buyers will stumble upon this post where he states what he paid for the car and what he had put into it!:D
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/512855-1973-porsche-911t-tech-blew-motor-i-want-know-how-i-tell-if-he-fault.html#post5029562