How much ft neg camber can you get w strut plates?

[911st]

I am wondering how much neg camber can be had up front on a 3.2 911 by changing to an aftermarket strut mono-ball strut top plates.

Assume this requires removing the shock hat for more clearance.

How much and what are your running?

-ER, SRP-Camber King, Tarette, Welt...?

Thanks.

[aston@ultrasw.c]

If you just replace the rubber bushings with a monoball you won't get any more movement. What you will get is more resilience i.e. 2 deg static will stay 2 deg when you load up the lateral forces.

If you go for a monoball mounted in a neg camber plate I think you can get up to 4 deg. The ER stuff is spendy but superbly made, I am very happy with it. And yes the shock cover has to go.

[175K911]

I've got the Tarett offset upper strut mounts and can only get -3.25 left front and -3 right front. I got that from my stock upper mounts with ER monoballs just by grinding the inner lip off the stock mount and slotting the alignment bolt slots.

Either way, you'll need to get rid of the metal dust shield on the front struts or that will limit how much movement you'll get. I replaced it with a rubber accordian boot off a 4x4 truck shock- red ones from Rancho suspension, got them from Summit Racing. Just a few $$ each.

[KTL]

Dunno how much camber i'm getting with the Wevos, but it's still not enough. Track tire wear still shows little use of the inner shoulder of the front tires.

Also, regarding removal of the shock absorber dust can, when you remove this, make sure to check there's no play in the assembly without the thickness of the can in there. I found on my Wevos that there's a miniscule amount of play without the can installed and I experienced some rattling while driving. It occurred with 3 types of shocks- Koni-Boge, Bilstein Boge and Bilstein-Bilstein. The threaded tops of these three shocks are all manufactured identically, so it was a matter of the Wevo specialty shock nut reaching the end of the shock shaft threads and allowing a tiny bit of play in the assembly. A simple grade 8 washer from the hardware store placed on the bottom/shoulder of the shock shaft was all that was needed to eliminate the play.

Regarding boots, CBRacerX (Chris) here on Pelican steered me toward VW strut boots. After some cross-checking at VW parts suppliers I found one that is a perfect fit over the shock shaft and has a perfect fit over the strut housing collar nut. The VW part number is 357 413 175A and is commonly found on 1997-2000 Golf III and Jetta III. The boot is made by Febi-Bilstein and therefore is OEM VW/Bilstein quality. Thanks again to CBRacerX for sharing that information! The best part? $6 each!!!

[911st]

Thanks guys, that helps.

[Chuck Moreland]

The QuickChange Camber Plates provide over 1.25+ degrees added range, which is more than others can deliver. To take advantage of that adjustment range, you do need to pull the dust covers off. With this product there is no need to slot the bolt holes.

[ShakinJoe]

Nice post 911st!

[911st]

Originally Posted by Chuck Moreland

The QuickChange Camber Plates provide over 1.25+ degrees added range, which is more than others can deliver. To take advantage of that adjustment range, you do need to pull the dust covers off. With this product there is no need to slot the bolt holes.

It is a cool product.

What dose this do to the Toe adjustment. That is if I use this to get neg camber at the track it seems I will end up with an increase in toe. Is this significant or have you measured. It would be nice to have -3 deg at the track then pull back to something more tire friendly on the drive to the track.

Thx.

[wevoid]

Originally Posted by Chuck Moreland

The QuickChange Camber Plates provide over 1.25+ degrees added range, which is more than others can deliver. To take advantage of that adjustment range, you do need to pull the dust covers off. With this product there is no need to slot the bolt holes.

Not completely accurate, the WEVO CamberKing also offer in excess of 1.25 degrees of adjustment, with both maximum and minimum being a function of chassis build - as with all strut top housings - including the O.E. units.

Regards

Hayden

[911st]

Front ride height is also a variable.

The point of max camber is when the arm is at a right angle to the strut. Past that point one could lose camber.

[KTL]

I'd like to add that my case of play in the assembly appears unique to me only. Others who have installed the WEVO camber plates have had no issue when removing the shock dust cover/can. Very nice product. I'm completely pleased with them.

I especially like the ability to simply & quickly remove the strut bar to fill my trunk with track crap. Not as quickly removed as Elephant's QuickChange bar with the hitch pins, but quick enough for me- hex key, 13mm wrench, 17mm wrench & crescent wrench (for rod end jam nuts) and it's off in a minute.

[sig_a]

Is the added cost of the WEVO Camberking with the aluminum strut bar/brace worth the extra cost for 87 Carrera given the WEVO 914 Camberking can be purchased without it. In other words, does the strut brace/bar actually add seat-of-pants chassis stiffness. I own a targa. I'll pay up, and put up with any inconvenience of having to remove it for stowage, but only if I can actually feel the improvement.

[911st]

I have never experienced a strut brace but may have noted they do feel the difference.

I just ran dumb and happy.

[ShakinJoe]

Sig - YES IT DOES.

[GaryR]

With a Camber King and no body modifications I have -3 in my car, but I think the "strut brace" may be a little tighter than normal...

[NoLift911]

Originally Posted by KTL

Dunno how much camber i'm getting with the Wevos, but it's still not enough. Track tire wear still shows little use of the inner shoulder of the front tires.

Also, regarding removal of the shock absorber dust can, when you remove this, make sure to check there's no play in the assembly without the thickness of the can in there. I found on my Wevos that there's a miniscule amount of play without the can installed and I experienced some rattling while driving. It occurred with 3 types of shocks- Koni-Boge, Bilstein Boge and Bilstein-Bilstein. The threaded tops of these three shocks are all manufactured identically, so it was a matter of the Wevo specialty shock nut reaching the end of the shock shaft threads and allowing a tiny bit of play in the assembly. A simple grade 8 washer from the hardware store placed on the bottom/shoulder of the shock shaft was all that was needed to eliminate the play.

Regarding boots, CBRacerX (Chris) here on Pelican steered me toward VW strut boots. After some cross-checking at VW parts suppliers I found one that is a perfect fit over the shock shaft and has a perfect fit over the strut housing collar nut. The VW part number is 357 413 175A and is commonly found on 1997-2000 Golf III and Jetta III. The boot is made by Febi-Bilstein and therefore is OEM VW/Bilstein quality. Thanks again to CBRacerX for sharing that information! The best part? $6 each!!!

Do you have a pic of these boots either on or off the car?

[304065]

Originally Posted by GaryR

With a Camber King and no body modifications I have -3 in my car, but I think the "strut brace" may be a little tighter than normal...

Can you get the trunk lid closed? If you can, you don't have enough.