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R_Builder 01-06-2013 05:55 AM

I think the pictures say it best... finished on stand in October
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357483926.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357483955.jpg

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If only I had the chassis back to put it in!

merbesfield 01-06-2013 06:16 AM

So where's the chassis?

scotiagreg 01-06-2013 07:05 AM

Update
 
Wow Doug !! That looks awesome. Can't wait to see the chassis when it comes home. I see Fuel injection... what's the plan?? Engine management?? Probably gonna be an easier route than my mechanical set up.

YTNUKLR 01-06-2013 07:51 AM

Hey Doug.

Nice work!

How did the CR come out??

Best
Scott

R_Builder 01-06-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merbesfield (Post 7191753)
So where's the chassis?

Slowly progressing through final paint and body work. Wish it was going quicker, but reality is free time is limited right now anyway. I am sure many others can relate to the situation... would be nice to have it back but frustrating not to have time to work on it!

Holding out for a late Spring return ;).

R_Builder 01-06-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotiagreg (Post 7191834)
Wow Doug !! That looks awesome. Can't wait to see the chassis when it comes home. I see Fuel injection... what's the plan?? Engine management?? Probably gonna be an easier route than my mechanical set up.

Those are PMO T/B's and engine management will be via Electromotive. Extra cost and setup time up front, but man it should sure pay off in the long run :D!

Can't wait to see your orange one done, Greg!

R_Builder 01-06-2013 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YTNUKLR (Post 7191913)
Hey Doug.

Nice work!

How did the CR come out??

Best
Scott

Hi Scott,

Never officially measured the CR... just know it will be more than 8.5 and less than 9.0.

Hope your E is progressing!

R_Builder 12-30-2013 06:37 PM

Update needed...
 
... but it was a slow year on the project. Main thing that got tackled was recovering the interior bits with smooth black German vinyl:

Dash parts (Dave at TRE helped with the main piece, I did the dash top, and the wifey did the knee guard):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388459268.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388459452.jpg

Door toppers and quarter window trim (Tony at Autobahn did the door tops, wife and I did the quarter toppers):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388459483.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388459499.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388459530.jpg

I can't believe how long it took to get them all DONE, wrapped up, and stashed in the cabinet. It took a village on that one...

Next item up was to redo these:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388459746.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388459765.jpg

They are all 7x15 .41 wheels. I got all my research done, purchased supplies, started stripping paint, then promptly got distracted by other project(s)! Soon. Going to do something RSR-ish with paint on all surfaces.

The chassis is still holding me up. I will share a couple pics from the body shop. Here is how it looked late summer:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388460405.jpg

Metal work done, doors fit with happy gaps, front fenders/hood checked out, lots of primer and sanding. It looked awesome. Latest info indicates color has been applied to hood and doors:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388460568.jpg

Not sure where things stand with the front and rear bumper fitting, but I can make an educated guess :rolleyes:.

Hoping 2014 is the year! Enjoy...

merbesfield 12-30-2013 07:06 PM

Looking good. Have fun with those 7x15's. I've been working on mine for way too long, total *****. But finally done, sort of, and ready to be anodized.

scotiagreg 12-31-2013 03:36 AM

Great to see you posting again Doug. It's easy to get slowed down with our busy lives. The paint looks great so far. I think my Orange car was in the paint shop for over a year! I'm be watching with interest as you get into the reassembly process. Cheers, Greg

Uwon 01-01-2014 03:28 AM

Just came across your thread Doug. I admire your work and attention to detail. I'm at about the same stage as you with my build. I'm particularly interested in how you are going to finish off the rims-there are so many variations out there.
Johan

RichardNew 01-01-2014 03:49 AM

Here's an original 911R wheel. This was taken before they applied the black electrical tape stripe to the wheel.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388580518.jpg

Richard Newton
Car Tech Stuff

merbesfield 01-01-2014 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardNew (Post 7833346)
Here's an original 911R wheel. This was taken before they applied the black electrical tape stripe to the wheel.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388580518.jpg

Richard Newton
Car Tech Stuff

I'm no expert with R's but I can't imagine Porsche would have ever taken the time to polish the spokes of a Fuchs wheel for a race car. Those look way to shinny to my eye. The finish that seems to be used the most is called an "RSR" finish. The first pics is compliments of Magnus Walker and he says it is DIY RSR finish. The second is from Canford Classics.

Here is a link to Canford Classics. Canford Classics - Classic Porsche Restoration & Parts Refurbishment

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haasad 01-01-2014 07:58 AM

Don't over do the wheels.....here's a different option strip the anodise, bead blast and clear anodise with no polishing.. suitably industrial . At least I think so
SmileWavy

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388595365.jpg



Andy

haasad 01-01-2014 08:03 AM

That was a bit close up here's the overall.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388595693.jpg

R_Builder 01-05-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotiagreg (Post 7831792)
Great to see you posting again Doug. It's easy to get slowed down with our busy lives. The paint looks great so far. I think my Orange car was in the paint shop for over a year! I'm be watching with interest as you get into the reassembly process. Cheers, Greg

Thanks Greg. Watched your videos of the orange car multiple times and with a big grin on my face. Glad I was able to contribute a little bit to getting that one back on the road. Very inspiring for me. Like I said... sure hope 2014 is a big one for my R!

R_Builder 01-05-2014 04:49 PM

Wheels...
 
Going to go with a 100% painted wheel solution as I have nothing to loose and am hoping I end up with something that is easier to take care of in the long run. I will start with the raw wheel (since it is in the worst condition of the 4) and see what I can get. Planning on gray pedal faces and no polished surfaces to tone them down a bit...

R_Builder 07-26-2014 06:06 PM

Look what came home last weekend...
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406425974.jpg

Miracle of miracles... a painted car in my garage:

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First job was both ceremonial and practical. Many moons ago the FIRST thing I finished restoring for the car was a set of later stock door handles, so they went on first along with the door stays to keep everything in check:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406426288.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406426309.jpg

I have started cleaning things up from life at the painter's and pulled all the nice "new" fuel lines I had installed for the carb'ed engine. Need to upgrade the whole set up for higher pressure to run the EFI. At least the pump will still work fine:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406426671.jpg

Kind of a bummer to take out all that nice stuff I worked so hard on, but it is for a good cause. Very glad to be back at it! More to come.

R_Builder 08-10-2014 03:41 PM

Sorta back to where I was...
 
The to-do list focuses on getting the powertrain installed, so I started in the back. I had to touch up the insides of both quarter panels due to work done by the painter. Think scrub, POR-15, seam seal, paint, etc. Been there before... was not too happy to be there again, but it is done.

The engine bay got pretty messed up being (over) exposed at the painter's, so I went back thru and cleaned it up:

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1407712966.jpg

Ahhh, much better. While I am waiting for fuel system parts, I jumped into the EFI install. Gotta get this in while the access is good:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1407713035.jpg

ECU roughed in:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1407713093.jpg

After all the time I spent welding closed holes on this chassis, it was tough to drill those 2 pass thrus! Spaghetti in the engine bay:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1407713212.jpg

So the fun fact is that adds about 30 wires to the engine bay for the setup I will be running. And that was after removing all the wires from the connectors I didn't need, and there is a power harness to add, and lots more wires on the engine, and and and.

But, considering I was a little psych'ed out about it one week ago, I am happy to have it installed and feel like I have my head around the whole idea. I have since labeled everything in the engine bay and on the motor and all wires are present and accounted for.

Oh and here is a nice shot of it sitting out in the bright sun a couple weeks ago:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1407713508.jpg


Lovin' the color. It will just get better and better as I add more bits to the car....

davidcz... 08-10-2014 10:29 PM

Very inspiring, thanks!

Matthew Barnes 08-10-2014 11:47 PM

I am so jealous of your solid shell, painted.
Feels so far away.
Love the colour.

R_Builder 10-02-2014 07:49 PM

Man that was a lot of work...
 
Tough to say whether the electrical work or the fuel lines took longer, but I do know the fuel system was not cheap! All aluminum lines and AN-6 fittings.

The rear end is now ready for the powertrain... everything that can/should be done is buttoned up. The cam sync sensor wiring and injector harness wires have to wait and can be seen in the front left corner of the engine bay. All the other sensor wiring is harnessed and ready to plug in:

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Once I get front suspension parts back from the powder coater's, I can get the car on all fours and proceed with the nuptials!

rennch 10-02-2014 08:19 PM

Mmmm, I've missed this! Looks like I'm just arriving at the punchline.

toddu 10-03-2014 03:01 AM

What hose are you using from tank to catch can? I can't find one that flexible.

Todd

R_Builder 10-04-2014 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toddu (Post 8289702)
What hose are you using from tank to catch can? I can't find one that flexible.

Todd

That is a factory hose... 911-107-393-01... the one that breathes the oil tank to the right side of an early CIS airbox. I think I was able to get the original version (911-107-393-00) when I first set this up way back when. It worked unmodified, I suspect the -01 could do the same.

Hope that helps,

R_Builder 11-30-2014 06:38 PM

The happy couple...
 
Got the powertrain in about a month ago! Enjoy the pics, you know the drill...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1417404990.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1417405006.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1417405028.jpg

Always surprised it actually can fit. Nice to have some more floor space in the shop!

R_Builder 11-30-2014 07:00 PM

One month into it and still connecting the dots
 
Mechanicals have gone well save one snag on the front oil cooler stuff. Put that on the back burner and focusing on the top side engine bay electrical. I did so much prior to engine install, have done a bunch more now that the motor is in, and STILL have a bunch to go :(! Don't take this EFI thing lightly if you jump off the bridge... it is a lot of work. Gotta be patient!

Pretty hard to tell by the pictures, but I am down to the cam sync sensor run, shortening the O2 sensor lead, and building the fuel injector harness:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1417405932.jpg

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1417406076.jpg

The fuel system is finally done (thanks Len) and Mr. Clewett is helping me avoid the land mines. They are two patient guys.

Thanks for following along... SmileWavy

R_Builder 02-02-2015 08:05 PM

Signs of Life...
 
It took most of December to get all the engine wiring finished up. Finally, finally time to install the battery and see how things look.

Been here before, but always nice to see lights:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1422938607.jpg

But this is new territory:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1422938647.jpg

Good news is all the EFI sensors were alive and well!

Big hurdle cleared so onto the next. Fuel system checkout. Gas guage/sender still works right:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1422938946.jpg

Trying to avert a mess/just in case:

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I already knew the fuel pump wiring was all correct, so just gotta turn the key and hope for the best :rolleyes:...

RESULTS: Only one tiny leak presented itself, but was easily fixed. What a relief! LOTS of custom work required just to see this number register on the gauge:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1422939338.jpg

Not too much left on the pre-start to-do list....

R_Builder 02-04-2015 08:22 PM

Fired right up...
 
It's alive and well! I took a video, but no way to post it, so a blurry fan picture will have to do:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1423113163.jpg

No real drama to speak of, which of course is a good thing when you run a new motor for the first time. No leaks to report after the 20 minute run-in. Awesome to see the gauges doing their thing:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1423113380.jpg

There will be plenty of EFI tuning to do later, but for now I had to dump the oil. I already can't wait to hear that R muffler again and rev it a little more. All the parts are finally in hand to complete the front oil cooler setup, so that is the next big item on the to-do list...

porsche boy 02-04-2015 08:47 PM

As I read this, I am smiling from ear to ear. What a great story. WELL DONE !!!!

merbesfield 02-05-2015 04:10 AM

Awesome on the starting. 👏 Is that fuel line across the motor staying as is?

scotiagreg 02-05-2015 09:52 AM

Looking great Doug! It won't be long now before she's roadworthy. I put over 5000kms (3000miles) on my 68 this summer with nary a hiccup. Sooo much fun to drive !!

R_Builder 02-05-2015 10:54 AM

fuel line
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by merbesfield (Post 8471974)
Awesome on the starting. �� Is that fuel line across the motor staying as is?

Well, I am on the fence about it. I decided to make that line myself because I had everything I needed from the rest of the fuel system build. I did NOT want a big braided line with 90 degree end fittings across there, mostly due to looks (wanted something cleaner). The 5052 aluminum line I made is nice and stiff because of the hump in it to clear the fan housing. I might clamp it to the shroud studs anyway.

Another option I thought about was to have Len make me a rubber line with 90's on the ends and clamp it to the top of the fan shroud at the 2 studs.

Thoughts/concerns?

R_Builder 02-05-2015 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotiagreg (Post 8472487)
Looking great Doug! It won't be long now before she's roadworthy. I put over 5000kms (3000miles) on my 68 this summer with nary a hiccup. Sooo much fun to drive !!

Thanks Greg. Putting in the time and counting the days. Glad you are so happy with yours... it turned out great.

TRE Cup 02-05-2015 03:37 PM

ok- looking pretty nice Doug !
regarding the aluminum line: It looks nice, but there is no give going point to point solid tubing. I would prefer to see at least one end with a fuel rated piece of hose between the carb and the line. also if you fasten it to the shroud, let it float in the locating clamps.

The constant expansion and contraction, of the solid tube is a recipe for a failure in the future. Full on race cars, that use solid tubing are always being taken apart and inspected, so you can't use those as examples to follow

APachon71RN 02-05-2015 03:55 PM

Will the hinges clear the filter stacks?

~Andy


TRE Cup 02-05-2015 04:24 PM

R hinges are external on Doug's car. See pics below of other R's. Besides that if Doug was using stock hinges, those would clear the PMO air cleaners too

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1423185854.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1423185871.jpg

R_Builder 02-05-2015 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRE Cup (Post 8473060)
ok- looking pretty nice Doug !
regarding the aluminum line: It looks nice, but there is no give going point to point solid tubing. I would prefer to see at least one end with a fuel rated piece of hose between the carb and the line. also if you fasten it to the shroud, let it float in the locating clamps.

The constant expansion and contraction, of the solid tube is a recipe for a failure in the future. Full on race cars, that use solid tubing are always being taken apart and inspected, so you can't use those as examples to follow

Thank you Dave. That is the issue that had me on the fence. In the long run I was leaning towards a custom E-85 rated high pressure hose from Len with 2 Adel clamps on the fan housing studs acting as guides only. I spent so much time/energy/money on the fuel system I just wanted to get on with it!

Can you believe it... it is finally getting close! You have been along on the ride from almost the beginning and it is much appreciated!!!!

Jonny042 02-06-2015 04:42 AM

I like the line - a nice touch. Definitely needs some clamps, and the point on vibration/cracking is valid. As long as it's well supported and not under stress (ie do the ends align perfectly with the fuel rails) I think it would be ok.

Nice job on the car!!!

R_Builder 05-07-2015 02:16 PM

Time for some updates…
 
February turned out to be front oil cooler install month for me. Pretty much all factory SC/Carrera vintage parts except for Chuck’s high clearance lines in the back and some custom bracket work up front. Always “fun” to do this on a car that has never had a front cooler :rolleyes:. This install put up more of a fight than usual because of parts availability issues, fitment issues with my chassis, items damaged in shipping, undercoating touch ups, fender painting, blah blah blah. Very glad it was finished and pleased with the results! A lot of us have been to this rodeo before so I’ll just show you the answer (from front to back):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1431036732.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1431036743.jpg

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1431036808.jpg

Love that last picture. Seems like they were designed to fit there...


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