Can anyone decipher the difference between 91151201007 and 91151201900 ?
Also, Roland could you email me a copy of the document?
Thanks,
Bob

007 is glass fibre, 900 is polyurethane foam

email sentSmileWavy

Can any people that have second grill oening 1975 - 77 Fiberglass with metal inserts whaletails start checking this spot for part numbers.

Since this NON 2nd grill unit has the proper 911.512.010.07.

I would think the second grill units would have 930.512.010.01 (the same number is listed for both A/C (large 2nd grill) , and NON - A/C (small 2nd grill) in the PET. So I don't know what to say about that as they are 2 differant parts.

Anyway, like to see if anything is there at all.

Here's a glared from flash photo of the 911.512.010.07 stamping (you can get the gist) :



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1295998939.jpg


And if it's not in that spot , can you look around the tails hard. The 930 part number units had to be stamped somewhere , just as the 911 part number units seem to be.

Can people who have these (non 2nd grill) check for stampings also. And if you find a part number stamped , also report the single digit AFTER the triangle logo.

Thank you all in advance.

RatBox, you and I are on the same wavelength. I saw allot of good info on this For sale ad


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/586420-fs-factory-early-carrera-turbo-tail.html

It got me thinking about this thread again. I went and dug my 2 grill tail out of the shed and here are the pics.

Its all fiberglass it is about 1/3 the weight of the steel framed ones.
It does have a second grill with out any ducting. The grill is fastened by 3 pieces of metal that clamp the grill to the tail.
The part no is on the center piece by the latch it is 930 512 010.01 and nearly imposible to photograph. There is no digit after the P triangle.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1295999599.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1295999627.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1295999640.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1295999660.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1295999872.jpg

Peon
Your link goes to the wrong place.
I'll check some of my tails for numbers.

Neat peon77 ,

Another version I have not seen before.

But now this brings up a new issue (or more acurately , an issue that has been brewing) . Why is your version stamped with the 930 part number . But J. Schaefers (which is basically the same unit , both with 2nd opening) stamped with the 911 number ?

Mystifying isn't it. It seems Porsche did not really keep a good cataloging by part number of differant variations. Not only are units that are clearly differant , marked with the same number . Units that are basically the same can then be marked with differant numbers also.

Either it's disorganisation with cataloging / numbering whaletails....... OR , the digit I pointed out after the Porsche logo (yes , that is a fancy "P" in the triangle , this is a Porsche Logo) is the mark , or lack of , differentiating them.

Notice these three tails all have a different last Digit ?

V , K , or nothing .


I know one thing for certain , that digit means something........at least where it is present.

If it did not mean anything . It would not exist ( be there ) on some.

Just speculation but is it possible that Porsche made the first production run off of stock deck lids until proper tooling was made up and a part number assigned.

The tail i have for the 94 turbo S is verified as a factory part and it along with all of the shrouds do not have any part numbers. I would assume this was done since so few were made and were made by the exclusive department. The only marking on the entire tail is the same one that appears after the 7 on the picture above. although this was pressed into fiberglass resin. here are pictures of my tail which has never been painted and a factory turbo S tail painted black.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1296052073.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1296052088.jpg

This last picture is of the shroud which has no markings at all but is identical to the piece used on a friends turbo S.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1296052099.jpg

[QUOTE=mycarrera2.7rs;5711279] for those interested I have now found the little grille,
it is a factory look part, not a cut down version but I could not find a part number,
I got it with a lot of parts from a 1976 Euro Carrera with factory 2.7 RS engine installed which is currently for sale on Pelican for $ 175k.?????????????
Anyway here are some pictures with dimensions should anyone need it:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1296061321.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1296061349.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1296061375.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1296061405.jpg

Early small second grill tail. 930 512 010 01 . .http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1296090015.jpg

where is the number on the part?
could you show a further away shot with a circle where the # is?
and are you sure of the number as it looks different from what you have writen
as it looks like xxx 542 015 013???????????
thanks
JP

It's on the hood pin metal like the ones above.
I see what you mean on the numbers but I wrote it down when I took the pic and it's consistent with the other numbers.
Also, after the Porsche triangle, there are no letters.

Hello all,

Can someone check a 1975-77 930 A/C optioned whaletail (largest possible 2nd grill ) for a stamped part number in the groove of the cut off stub center support ?

Please post photo if you can. Or a least report , if you cannot get a photo happening. Please also note , if there is a digit stamped following the logo triangle.

Thx.


By the by , I'm looking for a metal shield like this . If anyone can help me out , PM me .

**Note - must be this version :

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297191638.jpg


NOT this one :


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297191722.jpg

75 Carrera Tail
 

mine came with this tail on it . No #'s No Bumpers. All Fb- Glass. Pretty good fit. Very lite .Any idea's Original / Aftermarket ?Whose product ? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297206872.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297206914.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297206963.jpg Glass looks to be in sheet form, with some loose areas

what about this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297207861.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297207930.jpg

Can you post some pics from the bottom side?

mmmm

not at the moment... I will post pics as soon as possiblr

It has been coloured in white and the little opening has been closed...

is all fiberglass

I think it is not an original spoiler (I bought it for few money)

It comes from a 76 911s

what you think about?

One more request.

If someone has a whaletail, which is a known original from a 1980 wiessach. Could you take some underside photos , with the shield removed ? And also check in the center support for a stamped part number , and possible following digit after the triangle ?

And post.

I would really like to examine one , for any possible differances between it and an earlier constucted non - 2nd grill unit. As I would believe some had to have been constructed in 1979.

I seriously doubt the factory had 400 units in reserve.

Hey,
I have one of those aftermarket 1994 turbo s tails. I was unsure what it was untill I read this thread.
Frank

pics
 

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297216054.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297216108.jpg

Here is the all rubber tail that was on my car. It weighed a ton. It was so heavy it produced downforce without the wing.:Dhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297216038.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297216088.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1297216131.jpg

Anyone ever seen one of these actually installed on a 1977 MY - 80 MY .....West German market only sold 911 model ? (Not ROW, but West German ONLY market) .

Apparently (according the the PET catalogs) , they are an original install piece on whaletails (early fiberglass only ? maybe all poly also ?) .... OR normal decklids on those model years. For that market ONLY. I've vever seen one before , until I got it with an early fiberglass whaletail (not attached) .


It's description in parts catalogs is : "airduct" / "Luftführung" ( translation : airguide ).



Anyone own bone stock 1977 - 1980 911 that was originally sold in in West Germany ....to stay there ?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1299958288.jpg

Interesting.

I have not seen one of those in over 20 years. It seems to be in relatively perfect condition. Most of those shriveled up turned whitish and looked like crap after a number of years . It never looked correct on the car IMO.

I do recall seeing them installed on newly delivered SC's in the late 70's. I never knew if it was an aftermarket part installed by dealerships on new cars or not. One person told me it was a factory part but there is no crest under the wing, would be interesting to find out.

I would be curious to know what visible markings exist. It would make it easy if there a crest or part number existed. I could be wrong but it might have some collector appeal factory or not.

I'm sure if you had done a search on this forum for "rubber whaletail" (& probably an internet search in general if you added "porsche") , you would have had your question answered.

But ..... as far as if factory or not .... 911.512.019.02

There are no markings on it or a part#.
There is a bit of rust by the mounting studs on the bottom.

RatBox,I have one of those pieces around here somewhere. I have had it over 20 years but wasn't sure it came on a tail.

Hi kyguy 935,

I just thought i'd see what was out there in the real world. As I stated prior , interestingly , the PET parts catalog shows that piece as coming originally BOTH on 1977 Carrera 3.0's . AND normal 911's ... 1977 thru 1980 MY (that would be 1977 911S models & 1978 - 80 911sc's). So that means underneeth grills on standard decklids and early fiberglass whaletails (I don't think the rubber bolt on tails as my suspicion is that these were not used on German market cars).

But ONLY West German market cars (there is a specific notation of this).

If I knew of a german porsche forum . I would ask there , but I don't.

It seems like an interersting piece . And from looking at it (and the name) , it directs air. So there has to be some kind of benefit.

But again , apparently this is not a whaletail only piece. And remember that even on 1977 Carrera 3.0's , I believe the bulk of these cars were produced without the front & rear spoilers option (M473) anyway.

I've had a German Market 1979 911SC before , but it did not have it's original decklid/grill.

I remember seeing one of the all rubber tails on a 1977 new car. It was a US narrow body car.

The poly-urethane tails, 911.512.019.02, were used from at least '76. The dealers loved them because they could be added(along w/ the p/u front chins) at the dealership w/o painting anything. You are correct that they were very heavy @ ~20#s + ~9#s for the steel lid, though not as heavy as a 930 tea tray @ ~23# + lid

1007 is the base
1900 is the p/u lip


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1300105727.jpg

Well thanks for the info but I had really no interest whether it was or not until it was posted. So I figured i would ask since this is a forum about tails it should be defined as factory or not. Bill put it all in perspective.

Peon 77
Thanks for the link to your post #44
That is a new one for me: All street production tails that we have ever seen were metal based (either alloy or steel)

That red tail appears to have the correct german weave rough fiberglass, so if made aftermarket, it was done really well. Part numbers were faithfully copied using original parts for plugs, but looks like you have something unusual and factory made there

Goes to show you can always learn something new SmileWavy

+1 vote for metal base.

It does look superb, though.

Drive it through Stuttgart, if you spot a bunch of angry German engineers in white lab gowns chasing ya, then its probably a fake.

Whaletail sourced for my 3.0 911 Turbo (930), 1976. Metal framed whaletail (p/n 930 512 010 01) with all original AC parts.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1324769832.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1324769880.jpg

I have a 1977 Carrera 3.0 Targa and a few years ago I bought a tail for it. I am going to be restoring the '77 starting late next year and figured I'd put this on it as an option to the standard deck lid it originally came with. From what I can tell it seems to be the correct tail (albeit a twin grill version) and the rubber lip is still in good shape. I cannot find any part numbers on it at all. Do I have an aftermarket version?

Thanks!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331601118.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331601153.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331601167.jpg

Have you tried looking where I have circled? I have one of those tails as well (in addition to the one in post 74 above) and the number is in the same location on both - on the centre support for the closing latch.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1334071341.jpg

Thanks! I just scraped the paint off that support and no part number. I'm guessing aftermarket from a long time ago. I'm not concerned, it is in good shape and the rubber lip looks almost new. :)

BTW, Any place to get the small grill or should I modify a regular grill to fit that space?

Mine is also missing the small grill - there was a modified metal grid piece in it when I got it. I haven't tried to source the correct one for it to be honest as the correct tail (larger second grill) is complete, so fitting that one. I am guessing its likely to be tricky to source one, I dont know if they are available anymore so modifying a larger one might be an option - although it will have the slight curve on it...

I see Einmalig have a listing for two grill's - AC and non AC type -

Porsche Spoiler, rear (803-10)

No dimensions given so might be worth a call....

Good find on the grill part. When it is time for me to do my restoration I'll give them a call and confirm which one to get.

Thanks! :)