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The original OEM tail thread collective documentation
This thread is a place to post photos of known factory installed tails duck to current, This will be a resource for you to look and compare your tail or a tail you are thinking about buying to try and help determine if it is authentic. Im hoping to see lots of underside tail shots as well as some sexy original cars wearing original tails. This thread is to try and document some of these tails for future restorations or purchases.
please include a brief description of why you know or think yours is original. cheers ed |
here is a few pics of the 75 carrera tail that i have on a car that i am the third owner of and have the history to the present day. i will get better pics of the underside but you can see it has a metal tray on the underside and a piece of plastic trim around the perimeter under the base.
1. Lip around tail rubber 2. Base of tail metal 3. Tail it self fiberglass bonded to metal base 4. Metal heat shield or cosmetic tray metal stamped 5. A plastic trim or seal around the outer perimeter underside of tail edging. 6. Plastic grill 7. Alloy carrera emblem on center rear of tail will post detailed pics when i get a chance http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266862791.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266862898.jpg |
76 Turbo Tail with most inside pieces
Thats a good idea, I went looking and I ll start this with mine.
1976 930, Nov 75 production, #9306800114 for the USA. Viper Green Metallic/camel? 66,000 miles Some of the inside were chewed some from a long trans installed when I got the car in 1992. I drove it for a while in the 90's but it survived a divorce but then I neglected it for some time and so I have much to do now but starting with getting fuel out of the lines and fresh in. Bruce http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266863294.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266863554.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266863633.jpg |
Great Idea for a thread. I predict that we will have many variations of original tails and in the end it may be difficult to prove/disprove originality. I hope to be proved otherwise. I submit a scan from a 1975 911 sales brochure.
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notice in the scan that there is no under tray and that the center rib of the metal deck has been cut off and not extended to the tail base . also note that the car is a euro and seems a bit above euro height?
so the saga begins, whats real and whats fake:confused: ed |
It is a CIS car, looks to be at US height. Early 75s had the smaller bumperettes. I'd bet it is a US bound Carrera.
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I see that, red tails CIS,a lift kit :D, even a smog pump, not a Euro ed |
Ed, Great idea for a thread.
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cheers ed |
75 Group 4 tail. May have also; been used on 3.0 RS cars but was too long for TUV so they were not mounted when leaving the factory.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266892990.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266893066.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266893090.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266893133.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266893186.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266893264.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266893292.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266893332.jpg |
77 turbo tail with pics of correct a/c condenser and ducting out of tail
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266894098.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266894254.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266894301.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266894330.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266894355.jpg |
No pics, but maybe helpful:
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Cool Roland
Not sure what it says but its cool:D All the info helps Cheers Ed |
If someone needs the whole document, I can email as PDF in better quality, it's 5pages...
BTW: Concerning thread, Spoilerdeckel and Heckspoiler are the parts Deck lid and wing... |
Can you please send me the whole document? Thanks in advance.
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Two rough pictures of a 75 US Carrera #171 tail... Car had AC but was removed.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266953278.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266953378.jpg I currently have a perfect 75 US Carrera #391 tail on my current coupe, with tray, will get shots soon. |
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i guess they dont plan on starting that car!
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what year did they first have the little cresent moon indentation on the inside of the tail frame???
this is from my 1978 930 Euro Turbo: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1266970639.jpg |
Thanks Roland for posting that list. I always thought this was a 3.0 RS tail due to the 911 part number.
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John 2 questions. Is your tail a fiberglass frame? How is the secondary grill attached?
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75 Carrera
Here is a couple of shots of a '75 Carrera. It does have the metal tray and the fiberglass is a woven is a square pattern. Factory A/C has been removed from the engine bay. Condensor sat under the vent, but the carbs prevented the lid from closing. I'm sure everyone would agree I made the right choice ;)
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i guess they dont plan on starting that car!
You were referring to the air cleaner on the SCRS that appears to be closed off? Actually the SCRS has a snorkle on the back side of the housing. The factory delivered it with an intake muffler on the end ! The picture shows the correct housing and the owner has installed a flex duct (lower passenger side of the compartment) onto the snorkel to get cooler air to the intake |
I've got two different original documents from Porsche, but unfortunately they are protected, so I cannot print or post them. I try to snap them.
What I can do, is email them, so please sent me your email address if needed Roland |
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Being a European tail, it's all fiberglass. They didn't have the metal framed tails over there. The grill is held into place w/ two screws... which do not look factory on my tail, but more like something that you'd get at Ace hardware. No sure what the correct answer is here??? Roland, my email is: jpnorthwood@aol.com THANKS |
This is an aluminum and fiberglass tail that passed thru my hands not too long ago. I was told it was correct for an IROC w/o the ducktail. It was sold and now installed on a real IROC car:)
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75 tail. I added from my none tail deck lid the light fixture
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I have no idea if this tail was used on the '74 3.0RS, as I don't have a parts book for that car. JR |
stock, as delivered in 77, (mfg apr 76). note lack of drip tray
Bill K http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268150374.jpg |
Which drip tray is absent?
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oops, sorry, your's looks different in that shot, but I can see it's the same minus the deflector? |
1994 turbo S tail
You might find this interesting. A bit different than the early turbo carrera tails.
This is probably the only factory turbo S tail in existence that is still in original gel coat. I did quite a bit of research before taking a chance and buying this on Ebay. It was listed as a 92 turbo S tail which is different and the pictures match and unit is an identical match to 2 turbo S tails I have compared this tail to side by side. This was the largest single piece production tail fitted to a 911. I am not including tails fitted to race cars in this comment. There are no part numbers on any of the tails and no part number is known to exist. The tail came with the factory grill and plastic surround that keeps air flowing over the intercooler. teh surround and grill are different than the units used on the stock 964 turbo. This tail comes in many aftermarket versions which are similar but quality and finish are not close and this unit has all holes pre-drilled along with fasteners inset into the glass which you do not get on the aftermarket tails. The OE stamp in the glass is the only thing that shows originality other than what can be seen by side by side comparison. these tails became NLA in 1996 at a cost of $6000 and you had to prove ownership of a 94 turbo S to obtain one. Photos i received from Ebay seller. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322305.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322328.jpg Here are some up close shots from a factory installed tail painted black.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322427.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322482.jpg the tail once received. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322542.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322568.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322585.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322596.jpg I placed the tail on a 930 deck lid i had to see how it matched up which was perfect no fitting is needed. The tail needs TLC since it has been floating around some garage since 1996 in original gelcoat. A factory turbo S tail on my friends Turbo Shttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268322981.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268323019.jpg |
Cobalt
very cool tail! glade to see we are getting a good discription with all these photos, i have learned aquite a bitabout about tails:D. cheers ed |
Hello everyone, I have now received recent purchase from post, and took a couple of photos. So far have not been able to find any part-numbers on it.
- where should I look? - is this authentic? # Overall view: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1291492805.jpg # Grille close-up: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1291492882.jpg # Grille from inside: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1291493023.jpg # From underneath, I removed with paint-stripper paint from these yellow-circle areas .... no sign of any part-numbers here :mad: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1291493429.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1291493904.jpg Are there any other areas, from where photos could help to identify this tail? |
Looks real. Never have seen a part number on this style lid. Pull the rubber and you will see a part number on that. Looks like the frame has a couple of extra holes but nothing serious.
Also, is that some sort of metal strap between your 2 yellow circles? Now you need all the ducting if you are restoring a 76 930 |
Thanks Bob, now there is no need to search for something there is not (part-numbers on lid).
The extra holes you noticed continue to the other side. Perhaps the lid has been on a racer. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1291540497.jpg I may have to buy another lid for parts. In addition to ducting, there are some obvious items missing: - large grille - hinges - lock-mechanism Had a long search for the early 930/carrera -tail. Here is a summary: - Rubber is most critical -- there are many tails for sale without rubber (or with bad rubber) - however rubber availability is zero - new or used. Quite appreciate this kind of thread, it has been of great help in search for the right tail. :) |
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You could send it to javadog@cox.net Thanks, Jeff |
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[QUOTE=John Schaefer;5221447]This is an aluminum and fiberglass tail that passed thru my hands not too long ago. I was told it was correct for an IROC w/o the ducktail. It was sold and now installed on a real IROC car:)
should anyone need it I have the small factory grille to fit the opening http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267920442.jpg |
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