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What can you tell about this 1970 T "RSR"
This is the car my brother is considering purchasing. Anyone care to comment (positive or negative, does not matter, just want to help him avoid a ton of headache$)
No records for the car, "supposedly :( 90K miles, 2.4 engine, 901 gearbox, all fenders fiberglass, not sure if original 15" Fuchs or replicas. Seller is a dealer that apparently does not know much about these cars :eek: Any and all comments are more than welcome. My brother plans to add a Prototipo wheel, change the seats, add RS door panels, add rear seats/belts, and AC. Not sure if the last is doable with this car. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502228.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502245.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502261.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502278.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502301.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502327.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502424.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502451.jpg |
Must be very rare-a Porsche manufactured by Daimler-Benz.
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Going by the pictures... It look pretty good and it looks like it has been cherished.
Someone has spent some money on this car. The front pan looks like it's been replaced - Paint is "too good" in the luggage compartment. I would definitely recommend getting a PPI before considering purchase. |
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Keep them coming! I don't get the Benz comments :(:confused:
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My guess is Fuch are replicas too...
It better be cheap. Proceed with caution! |
That really is one heavy RSR at 3475 lbs it must have the very rare Lead floor option the Benz comment is because damlier benz didn't make porsches
All kidding aside looks like a nice car, for me it's very hard to tell if the fuchs are original or replicas with out any pictures of the back |
The Fuchs are replicas. I can tell by the outer profile.
Aside from a few interesting quirks that looks like a pretty nice car! Definitely get a PPI if possible. I too got a chuckle out of the Benz tag. |
Did not see the tag! HAHAHAHAHA :D:eek::D:eek: :rolleyes:
This is precisely why I posted this car here as I knew that hundreds of eyes would see more things than my brother and I. Here is another pic from a non Daimler ID tag ;) Guess its a numbers matching car after all! LOL! :Dhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267538030.jpg I am trying to convince my brother to look at something else as I too am getting a "fishy" smell from this car. Is a RSR-look 911 with AC for $35K a pipe dream? :confused: You can see RS replicas all day for $25K+, but RSRs are a bit more difficult to find. My brother and I both LOVE the look the longhood RSRs have (we grew up seeing up close these cars at the track), but I am a bit more practical these days, hence suggesting a 964 Turbo, but its tough to not stare at a RSR. The car will be used as a toy/weekend street driven one in Florida, so AC is a must. Any leads? |
That car looks ultra clean. I would def get a ppi first before purchase.
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wtf is the deal with the benz sticker?
wondering why bolts on front suspension pan mounts appear to have been painted over. have you priced a more appropriate motor for that car? honestly that sticker would be enough for me to run. |
I'm pretty sure my brother is going to pass on this one. No AC, questionable history, and other PMs received make us look elsewhere.
What he wants is this "look" but with a 3.0-3.6 motor, AC, RS door panels, period correct styled seats, and nothing else to do to the car. Max budget of $35K. Leads are more than welcome! |
The wheels are weldups at best.
The photo of the front pan shows an improper repair. Caution. Price you mentioned is way high for this car. Realize that RSR body work is 4 fender flares, either FG or metal, bonded or welded on, and ducktail. There is nothing RSR about this car other than "look", and that more impression than something that will take any scrutiny. A through PPI needed if you go forward. |
Aside from a mechanical PPI, I would have a law enforcement ‘physical inspection’ of the VIN.
Clearly the door jamb sticker is bogus. The spellin is Daimler-Benz NOT “DAMILER BENZ”. Give me a break! What does the ‘public VIN’ look like? I would want to look under the chassis VIN, at the backside of the aluminum VIN plate and confirm an unmolested ‘build number’. This last number (if it still exists) can be tied to the original VIN by the FBI to PCNA and PAG. This should be done now so some unsuspecting sot doesn't buy a problem. What title history? If the VIN passes (and I suspect it won’t), I would not value this as anything other than a modified 1970 911T. You can make tour own determination if it was a suitable modification. I see nothing "RSR" about it. Best, Grady |
Asking price for this car is $24K, but a little bird told me the seller will consider taking $19K for it. Still, more than likely, my brother will pass on it.
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Gus, the above advice is spot on. The Federal import sticker on the door is amusing, but actually could cause difficulties in importing the car to Panama, since manufacturer ID is incorrect. This is the type of car experienced Porsche owners try to prevent first time Porsche buyers from choosing. Cosmetics are good, but I suspect a good PPI would turn up 'issues.'
This car is presented for an emotional purchaser to just jump on it. We have an old saying: Act in haste, repent at leisure. Meaning you may find it's a $10K car under $15K of pretty packaging. Edit: just saw the $19K mention above. That makes a lot of difference. But check out the potential issue with importing a car with that Fed ID sticker. You might be better off just removing it. |
The car is not for me, its for my brother who lives in Miami. Just helping him out because I am a bit more knowledgeable about these cars than he is, but NOWHERE near what the experts here are. It would be his first 911 (I just sold my 996 a few months ago after a few years worth of ownership and traded that for a Cayenne Turbo) and I too agree that this is not the best car for him, hence me making the suggestion for a nearly stock 964 Turbo (cool AC, ABS, coil overs, overall performance, classic looks, etc.).
He is used to use the "wrong head" to think with :D:D so emotions do run high with him. Just something about big flares on an early car ;) |
I'd pass on that one. Get the car you want; the way you want it. Someone has already done it for you and has it for sale at a loss in the current buyer's market.
How much for the Countach and the "959?" in the background? That dealer knows nothing about Porsches!? |
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The engine appears to be 1972 911TV (Vergaser / carburetor) RoW not originally imported into the USA. Aside from the other replacement panels and front pan, the driver’s door striker panel (with the bogus sticker) is a ’72 and later replacement part. I’ll suspect major rust (repaired?) Clearly Fuchs replicas. I don’t recognize the profile. Quality? Is the car in Panama? Is there someone from the US Embassy who can inspect the VIN? Possibly there is some knowledgeable FBI guy who travels Central and South America? I wonder how much of the 3475# are drugs built into the chassis? It gets shipped to the USA, stolen and ‘mined’ for the drugs. Quote:
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Best, Grady |
$35k will get you a '74 RSR look with a bit more ass under the hood.
there was a red turbo mod'd to look RSR in Excellence not all that long ago. was sold here on Pelican IIRC for something around that figure. not sure you'll find a 964 turbo for that kinda dough though. |
Grady: the car is in Kansas, not Panama. I have convinced my brother to keep looking elsewhere. If anybody really wants this car, its listed on eBay right now.
Berettafan, or should I call you 92FS?!: showed that Turbo you are talking about that sold for $27K to my brother and he liked it, but no longer available. A beautiful green RSR clone sold here for nearly $50K with a 3.2 in it. My brother found another car. I will post on that one once I know more about it. |
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It doesn't represent the actual weight of the vehicle at all. Rather it is the maximum total weight of the vehicle when loaded - including the vehicle's own weight. A noted GVWR of 3475lbs. doesn't mean that's what the car actually weighs. Cheers d. |
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Best, Grady |
My car
Interesting comments...
This is happens to be my car for sale. I do know Porsches fairly well and I am not a dealer but have a car collection as you can see in the background. As some on this forum know since I have spoken to you over the phone, I do not know this car very well. I purchased it about 3 weeks ago from CA. and have not had the time to put it on my lift and crawl all over it because I have been too busy with work. The reason I am selling is that I purchased another car and need to let this one go before the other arrives. What I can tell you is that it starts and runs well, tracks straight even under braking. The tires are hard (old) and need replaced but show no cracking. All glass is great, no chips or cracks. As for the door label, that is a good one and I am not sure about it. All I know is that I have a good title in hand. This is not a perfect car by any means but it is nice...the price certainly reflects this. I will get a chance today to look over the car closely to give better answers as to what it needs. I am sure that it has some rust...most early 911s do in various areas. If it does have rust issues, I would be more than happy to sell it accordingly. If anyone has questions, please email me a bpettey@robotzone.com Thanks Brian |
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GVRW= car weight + 4 Dom Deloise's, 2 Brad Pitts, 1 Tom Cruise and 6 Avril Lavines = car + 1475 lbs. Of coke!!- hahahahah! |
[QUOTE=nsxer;5215188]Interesting comments...
This is happens to be my car for sale. I do know Porsches fairly well and I am not a dealer but have a car collection as you can see in the background. As some on this forum know since I have spoken to you over the phone, I do not know this car very well. I purchased it about 3 weeks ago from CA. and have not had the time to put it on my lift and crawl all over it because I have been too busy with work. The reason I am selling is that I purchased another car and need to let this one go before the other arrives. What I can tell you is that it starts and runs well, tracks straight even under braking. The tires are hard (old) and need replaced but show no cracking. All glass is great, no chips or cracks. As for the door label, that is a good one and I am not sure about it. All I know is that I have a good title in hand. This is not a perfect car by any means but it is nice...the price certainly reflects this. I will get a chance today to look over the car closely to give better answers as to what it needs. I am sure that it has some rust...most early 911s do in various areas. If it does have rust issues, I would be more than happy to sell it accordingly. If anyone has questions, please email me a bpettey@robotzone.com http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502278.jpg ]http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1267502794.jpg Brian, My comments were when I believed the car was in Panama. Only later did I see your adv. I still recommend you research the title history and have an official KS VIN inspection with a FBI NCIC check. Make sure the technition knows what to look for. I can advise him/her if necessary as I trained the CHP and FBI here. Here are the KS State Police VIN inspection locations: VIN Inspection Stations Here is the procedure for out-of-state vehicles: http://www.ksrevenue.net/pdf/forms/mcs65.pdf I assume that you have a KS title in your name and have been through this procedure. Here in Colorado it is illegal to transfer cars with an ‘open’ title. CO has a program to go back and collect sales tax and impose hefty penalties and fines (I have heard of 20X added cost). I don’t know about KS but States use this as a revenue source. The risk you run selling it without knowing, is someone (not necessarily the one you sell to) will come back and look to you for all the money he spent restoring it only to find it is actually owned by Allstate or other. If everything is good, you can sell for a higher price. If bad, you can either cut your losses or go back to your seller in CA. The good news is the seller is probably easy to find after only three weeks. I suspect not so easy several years from now. In any case, I believe it is best to know now and not let the arrival of another 911 influence your decision. Best, Grady |
I would like to thank all of you who contributed in this post. Glad to see the seller has found this post and perhaps it can help others looking at this car know all the details about it. As for my brother, he has found a 1997 C4S that has been modified and is planning to make an offer on that car. Will let you know if he goes through with it.
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Grady,
Good comments. Title is in hand and inspection was done. Out of state vehicles have to be inspected in Kansas. Not replacing it with another 911. I already have a 72 911 and an 86 turbo which I absolutely love. I purchased this car to eventually run on the track but a deal finally came through on a vintage Ferrari so I needed to make a decision. If I only had more storage room :) Brian |
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That means BEFORE you pay. Best, Grady |
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Do you come to our RMVR vintage races here? Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing Best, Grady |
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I have never been to those races...but will certainly consider doing so. Do you run there? I usually go to Road America or a much smaller track, Hallett in OK. Brian |
Yeap, my brother is first talking about doing the PRE purchase Inspection (PPI) and then make an offer as if it does not pass with flying colors, there is no sense in making offers since he does not want to deal with outstanding mechanical issues. Problem is that the car he is now looking at is at a dealer in New York that apparently does a lot of volume and offering to do the PPI (at a cost) themselves. I don't believe in the fact that the seller and the place to do the PPI should be the same, but taking into account the weather conditions, I can see/understand why they would not want to move the car from the showroom floor into another persons' garage.
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If you're going to rely on a PPI from the seller... why bother getting a PPI at all? :rolleyes:
A real PPI has to be (HAS TO BE) from an independent third party who has no interest (financial or otherwise) in the sale. Better yet if the mechanic has never even seen or worked on that car before. No incentive to cover up or downplay past mistakes. Depending on where it is, the car could usually be trailered to a third party shop with minimal effort or expense. Cheers, d. |
dienstuhr: I agree with you 100%. Apparently the trailering part is the issue. We shall see what happens with the 993...
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