5 or 6 speed?

wurls · 03-03-2010, 05:56 PM

I know there is a 993 forum, but you guys are faster to respond to things, so I'll post my questions on here.

I am looking at a 95 993 and bought the book "Ultimate Buyer's Guide for 993" by Peter Morgan. In the book, he mentions that the 95 has a 5 speed manual. I thought the 95's and up all had 6 speed manuals and the owner of the 95 I am looking at told me it has a 6 speed.
So, do they have a 5 or 6 speed in them? Who's right, the book writer or the guy who owns the car I haven't seen yet?

Also, is it possible for a 993 to be a 1995 model when it has a build date of Dec 1993?

Thanks for the help guys!

group911@aol.co · 03-03-2010, 07:18 PM

Every 993 manual I've seen has 6 speeds.

wurls · 03-04-2010, 06:57 AM

Then I guess it is a misprint in the book.
Thanks!

tonythetarga · 03-04-2010, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wurls

Also, is it possible for a 993 to be a 1995 model when it has a build date of Dec 1993?
Thanks for the help guys!

That sounds unusual. What is the full VIN? If you can, get the number off the trans. I wonder if the G50 5 speed from a 964 could be used on the 993? One other thing to consider is that the 95 993 had suspension geometry issues that were rectified in 96 and later. If you plan to use the 95 on the track, you might want a good track shop to ppi the car and look at the rear suspension components.

MrShades · MrShades's Garage

Never heard of a 993 without a 6 speed. Maybe its the tiptronic?

Bill Verburg · Bill Verburg's Garage

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Originally Posted by tonythetarga

That sounds unusual. What is the full VIN? If you can, get the number off the trans. I wonder if the G50 5 speed from a 964 could be used on the 993? One other thing to consider is that the 95 993 had suspension geometry issues that were rectified in 96 and later. If you plan to use the 95 on the track, you might want a good track shop to ppi the car and look at the rear suspension components.

another internet myth
here are the parts that are different,

The above and alignment are the only changes, I have had all the pieces of both v1 and v2 and v3 and late Rs on my bench and compared them carefully, they are all the same pieces except for the harder bushes used on late RS

Matt Monson · 03-04-2010, 08:06 AM

If you are planning on racing the car, one nice thing about the early production 993's is that they got a special mainshaft with a swappable second gear. This lets you regear it without having to buy a new mainshaft with 1st and 2nd, saving you thousands of dollars. All later 993's had integral 1st and 2nd gears right on the mainshaft.

ALL 993's are six speeds.

djpateman · 03-04-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wurls

Also, is it possible for a 993 to be a 1995 model when it has a build date of Dec 1993?

I don't believe so. A build date of Dec 1993 would be a 1994 model year.
Please check the build date and the VIN carefully. There could be something fishy there.

Matt Monson · 03-04-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by djpateman

I don't believe so. A build date of Dec 1993 would be a 1994 model year.
Please check the build date and the VIN carefully. There could be something fishy there.

They were released here in the states in 1994 as a '95 model year. There's nothing fishy.

Bill Verburg · Bill Verburg's Garage

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Originally Posted by djpateman

I don't believe so. A build date of Dec 1993 would be a 1994 model year.
Please check the build date and the VIN carefully. There could be something fishy there.

it is very possible

see post #4 in this thread for the explanation

Matt Monson · 03-04-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

it is very possible

see post #4 in this thread for the explanation

Bill,
If I'm following what you are suggesting is that it might be an ROW car that was brought over?

Bill Verburg · Bill Verburg's Garage

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Bill,
If I'm following what you are suggesting is that it might be an ROW car that was brought over?

No, there were US/Cdn 993 R series cars produced in the period 8/93 > 7/94 which were actually sold as My95 cars. the tip off is the option code M718, which indicates that as the provenance of that particular vehicle.

They were called series 1 993s and but there were differences between them and later series 2 cars also sold in MY95.

differences between S1(aka R series) and S2(aka S series)
S1 used 964 style heat setup in the engine compartment and even US/Cdn. versions lacked sai.

S2 have the more familiar style heat and US/Cdn. models have sai and some other small differences

there were also 4 series S chassis produced w/ the R earlier series components

S series was produced from 8/94 > 7/95 and is what is usually thought of as the first 993, erroneously

T series was the My 96 w/ OBD2 for US/cdn models

V series was produced 8/96 > 7/97 and sold as MY97

W series was produced 8/97 > 7/98 and sold as MY98

djpateman · 03-04-2010, 04:48 PM

Right, I forgot about those shenanigans.

wurls · 03-04-2010, 05:29 PM

Guys,

You are all so knowledgeable, especially you Bill. Thanks for your input.
The VIN for the car is:
WP0AA2992SS320085

Any info on this VIN you guys can tell me would be GREATLY appreciated!

Bill Verburg · Bill Verburg's Garage

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Originally Posted by wurls

Guys,

You are all so knowledgeable, especially you Bill. Thanks for your input.
The VIN for the car is:
WP0AA2992SS320085

Any info on this VIN you guys can tell me would be GREATLY appreciated!

It's a very early build MY95 993 Coupe, US/Cdn version.

manufactured 8/94 > 7/95 probably august or Sept of '94. The first of that series was # 61 that is # 85 ie 25th one built for MY95.
engine is m64.07 if m/t m64.08 if it's a tip

the engine compartment of the early versions looked a lot like that in the 964
here's an early engine compartment

here is a later My95

notice the difference in heat ducting on the left

wurls · 03-05-2010, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

It's a very early build MY95 993 Coupe, US/Cdn version.

manufactured 8/94 > 7/95 probably august or Sept of '94. The first of that series was # 61 that is # 85 ie 25th one built for MY95.
engine is m64.07 if m/t m64.08 if it's a tip

the engine compartment of the early versions looked a lot like that in the 964
here's an early engine compartment

here is a later My95

notice the difference in heat ducting on the left

Bill, thank you for the EXCELLENT info! I am still new to the world of P-cars, and especially 993's. It will be my first one.
Now, I know where the heater duct is located, and the difference of what the 2 993's look like. Any advice on looking at an early 993 car? Things I should be wary of? Like I said, it is going to be my bext Porsche, and likely my last. I want to stick with air cooled forever.
Would the engine compartment be close in resemblance to a 3.2 Carrera, because that is what I am used to seeing.
Again, any help is greatly welcomed.

Thanks,

Matt Monson · 03-05-2010, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

No, there were US/Cdn 993 R series cars produced in the period 8/93 > 7/94 which were actually sold as My95 cars. the tip off is the option code M718, which indicates that as the provenance of that particular vehicle.

They were called series 1 993s and but there were differences between them and later series 2 cars also sold in MY95.

differences between S1(aka R series) and S2(aka S series)
S1 used 964 style heat setup in the engine compartment and even US/Cdn. versions lacked sai.

S2 have the more familiar style heat and US/Cdn. models have sai and some other small differences

there were also 4 series S chassis produced w/ the R earlier series components

S series was produced from 8/94 > 7/95 and is what is usually thought of as the first 993, erroneously

T series was the My 96 w/ OBD2 for US/cdn models

V series was produced 8/96 > 7/97 and sold as MY97

W series was produced 8/97 > 7/98 and sold as MY98

Right. But that's not what I would call "fishy". It was you seeming to agree with Dave's "fishy" comment that confused me and made me think I was missing something beyond the above information, which I was already aware of. But I think we're all on the same page now.

djpateman · 03-05-2010, 08:15 AM

My "fishy" comment was related only to a 1995 model year car being built in 1993. As a general rule the model year production begins in August of the preceding year; Aug 1994 is when 1995 model year production normally begins. However this is an exception to that rule and they started a year in advance of the normal introduction. My apologies for assuming a normal set of affairs. It is exceptional cases like this that require special documentation. Fortunately we have some very knowledgeable people that can remember these exceptions.