I put the H4s on my car with the scoops. Didn't want to spend the extra $400 or so, plus painting to match. I drive in LA so they are way better than the US sealed beams that came with it.

Think I read on this very forum a few years back,something about the Circumcised/Un-circumcised look.

Yep, that's what I did. Huge improvement.

The 911 was designed with the European headlights, see image below.

http://www.gecko-web.de/images/Porsc...e-911-1964.jpg

The ugly lights were only made for the US so these useless sealed beams can be put in. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat3.gif

On the other hand it is good that not all have the same taste. What is ugly for one is beautiful for others.

Cheers

I can't say I'm in love with the scoops on my SC - but i say hey - that's what it came with, why mess with something that isnt broke and that doesnt bother me?

I had original sealed beams which never gave me an issue in terms of brightness. One burnt out and i just put in a set of Sylvania silver stars for $40. Nice improvement, but whatever - they work and thats what came with the car.

The scoops do the job for me - but that's just me. I do appreciate the look of the H4s (esp with body color rings) but feel they would make my US spec SC look molested. No relays, no melted HL switch. Aint broke, I aint fixin it.

Actually, there can't be all that much difference between well designed 7" round H-4 bulbed lights with sugar scoops and the euro look H-4's...both use the same bulbs. So, completely an owner choice as far as I'm concerned.

H-1's of course, are a different story...they are better than H-4.

I found the HID conversion pictured above interesting..didn't know they were available in 7" round sizes. If they're anything like the factory HID lights in my Mustang, they are fabulous!

Scoops........
 

2 Scoops for me please.....

Certainly a personal preference which is what makes the world go around. I like the scoops on my car, particularly due to the meteor grey metallic color...On a Euro car, Euro lights look more appropriate to complete the package.
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What's funny here? In this pic, you're looking at 7" round lights behind a glass cover. You're right about the DOT, tho...they forbid glass covers over the lights, claiming it was a safety issue. The Jag XKE suffered more than the 911 looks wise when the DOT did this...

Good to hear I'm not alone.

I bought the H-4s from Wayne about a year ago. IIRC $130 or so total housing and bulbs. Hard to beat. The Euro H-4s from Wayne are $256 IIRC each, plus painting the rings if you so choose.

[QUOTE=rothaus;5333281]The 911 was designed with the European headlights, see image below.[QUOTE]

Oh, now I understand, the scoops were NOT designed by anyone at Porsche??? OK.

As I've said before, if this forum has proven anything, it's that there are as many "looks" to a P-car as there are different owners who tweak the looks of their cars to what they like (not only "look", mind you, but power plant as well). You may prefer a blond to a brunette. Or maybe redheads really rock your world. I like 'em all (even though I'm married to a blond).

Hey, just because I'm on a diet doesn't mean I can't look at the menu!:D

Regards.
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Tom '75 targa

My two big brown scoops. :p
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1273036817.jpg

http://www.gecko-web.de/images/Porsc...e-911-1964.jpg

Actually, I think those are early H1 lenses and not clear covers over sealed beams. If you squint your eyes just right, you can see what I mean; the fluting is visible in the glass.

Here is a shot of Chris Nielsen's very nice SWB with H1s. I think you will see the similarities.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1273037330.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1273038053.jpg

[QUOTE=Winter;5333559][QUOTE=rothaus;5333281]The 911 was designed with the European headlights, see image below. The scoops were designed at Porsche...after the DOT regs of the time specified only sealed beam lights without glass covers for cars brought into the USA. Before that specification, the lights on early Porsches were covered with glass, much the same as VW.

A pic of original H-1's, bought and installed in the mid 70's...note the tops of the lenses in contrast to the grey car pictured above. Clear lens tops originally, vs. the fluted tops on the gray car. The fog light is USA equipment..installed at the factory.

The green (1965-'66?) car? Can't tell...but all that made it to the USA then had sealed beams 7" round behind the glass cover. Many of us quickly converted to various 7" round "Quartz Iodine" over the sealed beams. Marchall (sp?) brand was the most popular, IIRC.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1273039959.jpg

The above car originally entered the USA with sugar scoops & sealed beams. Evren has all the original sugar scoop bits & pieces should he ever wish to convert back.

What disturbs me is that many are being misguided about what is original and what isn't. Mods are fine, so is originality. Whatever floats your boat. But it would be wise to know the difference, and there is misinformation.

Switched from H1s to SS on my mostly track SC. Lens for H4s and H1 are too expensive to be changing every time someone kicks up a stone on the track! Final straw was when I damaged both H1s in a track incident 2 years ago.

More info please...

How about H-1's with N.O.S. French Yellow's:eek: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1273072970.jpg

I've warmed up to them over the years