1969 targa door jamb

[csimeon]

Would you please help me with identifying a parts number? I am looking for for the vertical metal part of the jamb that is to the INSIDE OF the rubber seal of the column. It is angular in section profile
On the one side, angled out to create an edge along which the rubber door seal is wedged in.
On the other side it angles in towards the rear and the leatherette from the side wall paneling wraps over it up to the rubber seal.
Mine has rusted away on both sides L/R and I need replacements.
Initially I thought it was part nos. 901-502-245-00 and -246-00 "angle" . I found them at DC Automotive. They cut them out of a car and sent them to me.... unfortunately they are wrong, part of the column but what appears to be to the outside of the seals and not a good match at that - maybe for the coupe. I now think they are parts 901-555-023-01 and -024-01 titled "filler piece". But "filler" title scares me, is this it? a metal "filler" , meaning "backing" maybe . The other odd thing in the catalog is it's marked "X" on the quantity column instead 1 for each side for a car, meaning "as many needed" . Why would one need more it its metal, is this a foam spacer maybe? and what is the metal part??? Help me please
The part as shown below is after the leatherette of the side wall was stripped back :
This picture is my of my door jamb
This is another picture of another targa similar area in yellow scribble

[csimeon]

Anyone help please?

The car is in the shop and I have no parts for this fix... I'm getting desperate.

[farfinator]

I think 901-555-023-01 and -024-01 relate to interior trim.
That part does not appear separate in any catalog I know. It is quite possibly part of the inner qtr/wheel house assy. Which would mean cut and paste out of another donor or fabricate a custom replacement.
But, Specializing in Porsche, Audi, VW, BMW and Mercedes with our Body Shop, Race, Restoration & Mechanical Services - Automobile Associates these guys have done a lot of significant porsche restorations and may be able to give you a more precise answer.

[Jagshund]

I had to brake my own (believe it was 14 gauge steel). My local dealer could not find these pieces in inventory globally, although the section a little higher up (by the quarter window) is still available.

[sfoster13]

I'm in the process of making my own as well - I wasn't able to find it

[csimeon]

Thanks to all so far, we are getting there, to the informed decision...
Thanks Farfinator, I mailed AA of Canton for assistance maybe they can help.
On Monday I will collect all information to decide whether to cut and paste from scrap to form the rotten angle edge to the rubber seal.

Nobody can verify what part no.#901-555-023-01 and -024-01 is? Metal or other "filler"?

[Jagshund]

I just looked through my 2006 catalog and it looks like the piece in question is #14 in the illustration (page 001 or 401 of the pdf) which would be an interior fill piece- believe it's the vinyl wrap around the b-pillar.

[csimeon]

Not sure what your answer means Scott . Yes I think it is that piece, #14 is #901-555-023-01 and -024-01, we agree. But if it is the viny wrap why is there an "X" on the column for pieces needed? that would mean as many as needed, but that makes no sense in this case. If you have noticed taking the upholsery off, metal backing pieces exist at the top of the door linings, just below the window, and around the whole cabin at the window sill level. This is what this metal seems to be on the vertical edge, a stop for the vinyl lining, fixed to the b-pillar, and an edge to fit the door seal on the other end. But again if the code is for this metal part the column for the amount should be marked "1" for left and "1" for right, and it's not.... Bad diagrams in this case I'm afraid, I need someone has experienced the same issue...

[Jagshund]

Sorry. I didn't really answer your question fully, did I? When Porsche places an "X" by an item, it apparently means "number as needed" as per the V-Pages. Whether this means for them to list the number as needed or for you to purchase the pieces in quantity you require is beyond me. There are several items that have a left/right application with x's in the Q column (and then there are items like washers with them, too).

The only piece that I know for certain as being available in the area you need is 901 502 043 21 which is the inner channel near the quarter window (had two of these delivered while looking for another part). The lower portion would likely be PCG 501 017 40 which is the inner housing. There may be one in cold storage somewhere around the world but it's not listed as available in anything I have.

[csimeon]

I had the "filler" part delivered and as I feared it was a foam backing for the vinyl wrap around, not the metal part I was looking for.

I had so far been looking for a profile along the edge of the door jamb whereas is seems to be part of an integral larger part which is the whole sheet metal forming the rear side wall. I am almost certain this time the piece is what the catalog calls "rear bulkhead" , parts #901-501-205-41 (L) and 901-501-206-41(R) , no.8 on illustration 801-25 , which is specifically for the 1969 Targa.

I attach photographs from my car and the Porsche illustration sheet

[Jagshund]

Those pieces would probably cost about $175 (for the pair) to have fabricated over at "my shop", less if you laid it out. You may want to check out your local suppliers before you end up paying for a lot of extra metal.

[csimeon]

The verdict , at last !
catalog "rear bulkhead" , parts #901-501-205-41 (L) and 901-501-206-41(R) are the right parts
----and , you will be told, the left exists at mother Porsche, the right not.. well here is the best news , the 911, 1972 on, #911-501-206-40 , is the same and its cheaper - small variations are in the cutouts, the outline is a match.

[csimeon]

This is the right part
-but-
As we stripped this part to weld the new part in , we found even more rust and noticed one thing not known before

The angle-out , at the sill where the rubber door seal is mounted is actually formed as a composite edge between 3 ! parts - The outer rear fender, the side panel confining the wheel arch and the rear bulkhead to the cabin side.

All these come together to along a seam that unites the monocoque construction at the door sill and joins at the rocker panel below. It is obvious that the seam is important structurally forming a rib of triple layer metal sheet! So more work and complicated work is at hand. Luckily and amazingly considering the damage above, the rocker panel is solid, after this latest inspection. I hope THIS impression lasts.

[csimeon]

See also this excellent documentation of bodywork on a 911, sill included
Derek's 911 bodywork

[csimeon]

Dansk carries the door sill plate alone, normally part of the fender outer panel, as an aftermarket part.

[csimeon]

Finally the doorsills are done. Very good welding work.

And the car is painted!