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Hotwatermusic 05-06-2010 09:37 PM

Switching to Brad Penn causing my bad leak?
 
I just switched from Royal Purple full synthetic 20/50 to Brad Penn last Sunday, and now my car is leaking oil like I've never seen. I have one of the late model 83 SC engines with a 5R case, where there is no sump plate and just a long seam down the middle. It's leaking at the lowest point of the seam, to the point where every time I look underneath the car there's a drop of oil ready to fall. There are routinely stains on the ground about the size of a drink coaster now as well.<p>Anyone know what could be going on here? I've always heard of full synthetic causing leaks, but I didn't have any noticeable leaking with the Royal Purple--and certainly not like this. I know everyone here loves Brad Penn, but I can't reap any benefits of it if I can't even keep it in my car. Thanks for any advice.

haycait911 05-06-2010 09:48 PM

FWIW my understanding isn't that synthetics 'cause' leaks, but they do tend to creep through smaller gaps than dino's will. maybe a change back to a high grade dino?

laundromatt 05-06-2010 11:03 PM

Is the Brad Penn oil also 20/50? Changing weight/viscosity may also result in "leaks" - as in, you may already have had a compromised part or fuel line, and the new oil leaks through them when the old oil didn't.

IROC 05-07-2010 03:17 AM

Strangely, I switched from Mobil1 to Brad Penn and noticed a definite increase in leaks. I have since switched to Valvoline Racing due to the difficulty in getting Brad Penn and the leaks have subsided. Anecdotal for sure, but that's what I experienced.

calling911 05-07-2010 03:46 AM

Please do not post anymore negative messages about the almighty "Brad Penn" here... since most people here worship this oil all of these leak issues must be YOU...

Wavey 05-07-2010 06:26 AM

Not to mention the smoking issue.

gilach 05-07-2010 06:39 AM

i keep hearing that when people switch to another oil, they observe increased leaks...appears to be especially true of 74-89. i have a friend who recently switched from Castrol GTX (high mileage) to Valvoline 1 for increased zinc protection and got increased leakage to boot!!!!

uwanna 05-07-2010 07:23 AM

I too switched from Castrol GTX to Brad Penn on my 3.6 transplant motor and found a leak! However, the leak was coming out of the innards of the engine mounted oil cooler(yes I added one to the 964 3.6), but no other leaks. (by the way, have checked, and leak is definitely not from the thermostat or oil pressure sender but the cooling channels in the cooler)) I obviously had an existing pinhole in the cooler, and when I put Brad Penn in it, the Brad Penn did such a good job of cleaning out any debris in the engine, that it exposed a pin hole in the cooler that had been plugged by gunk! The cooler only drips a drop about every 8 or 10 minutes while the engine is idling. I have acquired a new cooler and will replace it soon, but I will be staying with Brad Penn, as it sure has demonstrated it's cleaning ability!

McLovin 05-07-2010 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haycait911 (Post 5337987)
FWIW my understanding isn't that synthetics 'cause' leaks, but they do tend to creep through smaller gaps than dino's will. maybe a change back to a high grade dino?

Brad Penn is a high grade dino oil, it isn't a synthetic.

uwanna 05-07-2010 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLovin (Post 5338479)
Brad Penn is a high grade dino oil, it isn't a synthetic.

Incorrect, Brad Penn is "part synthetic". 80% Dino 20% synthetic

uwanna 05-07-2010 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uwanna (Post 5338495)
Incorrect, Brad Penn is "part synthetic". 80% Dino 20% synthetic

Read the bottle! "Partial Synthetic"

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1273250198.jpg

brads911sc 05-07-2010 10:20 AM

LOL. I find it hilarous how people blindly follow the Brad Penn gospel and how everyone that has any issues after switching is doing something incorrect....

I use Kendall GT1 20w50. no issues.

Quote:

Originally Posted by calling911 (Post 5338134)
Please do not post anymore negative messages about the almighty "Brad Penn" here... since most people here worship this oil all of these leak issues must be YOU...


GaryR 05-07-2010 10:27 AM

Tried BP 20W50, no more leaks but car ran 20% higher temp than it did with M1. Tried Redline Racing 50W, back to lower temps. Final choice was M1 20W50 VTwin, low temps, high ZDDP, good detergent level.

Wavey 05-07-2010 10:37 AM

As long as we're bashing BP: I also noticed slower cranking speeds and for longer; same 20/50 as the M1 V-Twin I was running, but thicker still. Always wondered how well it was circulating at startup.

uwanna 05-07-2010 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 5338720)
LOL. I find it hilarous how people blindly follow the Brad Penn gospel and how everyone that has any issues after switching is doing something incorrect....

I use Kendall GT1 20w50. no issues.

How ironic! Kendall oil sold off their high performance racing oil (the old "green oil") division to a new company with a new name. Ya, you guessed it Brad Penn!

Kendall is now made by Conoco/Phillips

kidrock 05-07-2010 01:01 PM

hey Brad, where are you getting that Kendall GT1????

brads911sc 05-07-2010 02:51 PM

It is ironic... but the Conoco made GT1 is great oil... it has all the good stuff... ill leave it at that...

Quote:

Originally Posted by uwanna (Post 5338817)
How ironic! Kendall oil sold off their high performance racing oil (the old "green oil") division to a new company with a new name. Ya, you guessed it Brad Penn!

Kendall is now made by Conoco/Phillips


brads911sc 05-07-2010 02:52 PM

Jones Oil. Right off I45N.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidrock (Post 5339012)
hey Brad, where are you getting that Kendall GT1????


brads911sc 05-07-2010 02:57 PM

No one is bashing BP. There are 10 or so GREAT oils, all with the right stuff... BP is a great oil.. no one has said its not... But there is more to oil than ZDDP. If someone runs higher temps or has leaks that is also a factor... People post their experiences... its not all great with BP... No one is claiming that they have leaks or increased temps with conoco made GT1. period. and it has the right amount of the good stuff. period. and its endorsed by people like Peter Z.

people should stop drinking the koolaide and make their own decision...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wavey (Post 5338753)
As long as we're bashing BP: I also noticed slower cranking speeds and for longer; same 20/50 as the M1 V-Twin I was running, but thicker still. Always wondered how well it was circulating at startup.


Hotwatermusic 05-07-2010 05:03 PM

I am just going to replace the Brad Penn that leaks out with the new Mobil 1 0w50 race oil that's suppose to come out this month. High ZDDP, made for flat tappets, 0w cold flow, it looks like a good choice.


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