mitsu 2.0 turbo in a 911

[doofdog]

one word! Why?

http://hometown.aol.com/emplebani/motorjpeg.html

[cegerer]

I'm going to bookmark that one. It'll probably be on eBay in a year or so for a couple of thousand bucks.

[pjv911]

I like it. The guy probably bought a roller and couldnt believe how much a porsche motor costs. I bet it will be fast.

[beepbeep]

well that's pretty cool...mitsu engine is light so it might be good track-car if he manage to tune it ...

[jwetering]

There's a member in our region named Wayne who bought a rolling 1972 911, which had been converted to impact bumpers! Not bad enough you say?...Wayne looked around the shop to see what he could stuff in the back, and all he had was a Suzuki three cylinder, you know, a chevy sprint motor.

The son of a b*tch went ahead and built the absolute worst abominition, although I'll have to hand it to him, the work was of the highest quality.

Not fast enough we said...his reply? - I know, I should at least have rebuilt it first!

So there were a few guys ready to kick him out of the club on account of the (lttle used) rule in the book that says your "car" has to be powered by Porsche running gear. In the end he went and purchased a cherry 356B, so he's off the hook, but the Porzuki lives, and he's damned proud of it.

Some people's kids - if he would only of used his power for good instead of evil....

jasper 78 SC
Canada West Region VP

[Fishcop]

I think there is a photo of the Porsuki in Wayne's book.....hmmm, very sad!

[Doug Zielke]

Originally posted by jwetering

....So there were a few guys ready to kick him out of the club....

Jasper,
Wayne Sievers is an individualist. He doesn't give a $hit about what a "few guys" think. I may or may not agree with him, but I'm glad he's one of our members. He's always available to offer assistance to fellow enthusiasts.

[Obin Robinson]

Originally posted by Doug Zielke


Jasper,
Wayne Sievers is an individualist. He doesn't give a $hit about what a "few guys" think. I may or may not agree with him, but I'm glad he's one of our members. He's always available to offer assistance to fellow enthusiasts.

agreed! that's what separates the leaders from the followers. the same kind of bold tinkering is what Ferdinand Porsche did when he hot rodded a Volkswagen Beetle over 50 years ago and stuck his own name on the car.

i love to see people taking bold new steps and creating something out of parts they had sitting around. i've seen Datsun Z-cars with 400Hp Chevy 350s in them. i've also seen Lotus Esprit Turbos with severe modifications to them which meant scrapping a lot of the original Lotus parts. when i asked the Lotus owner what the other Lotus owners thought of this he said "half of them think it's awesome, and the other half just get annoyed at the fact all they can see are my taillights disappearing in front of them."

obin

[kedelbach]

http://www.corvaircorsa.com/V-12-01.html

This guy is cool

[KTL]

Originally posted by doofdog
one word! Why?

Because it's way, way, way, way cheaper to get 500 hp out of a 2.0 Mitsu. turbo motor than to try and get 500 hp out of a Porsche motor.

Anybody who likes to mess with the ricers on the street should be aware of the high-mod. Mitsu turbo cars. With 4wd and tons of boost, just about any Porsche doesn't have a prayer against one of these cars.

[CamB]

Yep. The answer is 500hp from a Mitsi motor is cheap and easy (relatively speaking). From a 930 it is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I can understand the theory. If you like the look, performance and handling of a 930, why not a hybrid powered one. Personally, I like the engineering and sound of a Porsche motor too, so I am not a suitable candidate for a hybrid. Besides, some people like the challenge. I could be more likely to do it to a 924 (I hope Obin doesn't read this ) - it would have to be cheaper than trying to track down a 924 Turbo in decent order which could handle the boost.

Just remember people making hybrids take their medicine when it is time to sell. In the meantime, they would probably whoop everyones ass (I bet it is way lighter than a 911 engine)!!!

I say watch with interest or leave them alone (unless it is poorly engineered, then pour scorn!).

Cam

[Bobboloo]

Actually when you think about Obin. VW took a Porsche and stuck there name on it. Since he did design the Beetle and took it to VW after the first backer backed out of it. So he really hot rodded a Porsche motor that VW manufactured for him.
It's funny but automakers don't have the purist mentality. They all share from each other. It's dollars and sense.

Bobby

[cegerer]

I'm not sure I'd call a 500HP Mitsu engine cheap. You're not going to just bolt on a big turbo and get that kind of power. You'd need to start with a race-prepped block and replace everything that gets bolted to it with high-end aftermarket parts! It wouldn't take much effort to spend $10-15K on this. Now add the cost of repairing/restoring/modifying the "roller" 911 he's going to stuff this into. It probably won't be streetable, but maybe it's supposed to be a drag car only? If that's the case, why use a wide-body 911 and not a slippery Talon? If he does it right (which is a big "if" by the looks of the huge radiator bolted to the front bumper in the photo below), he's going to have an easy $25-30K into this car total and it'll have a resale value of a few thousand bucks. I'm not knocking the guy's ability and talent to pull off this conversion, just asking what's the point.

[doofdog]

Originally posted by KTL


Because it's way, way, way, way cheaper to get 500 hp out of a 2.0 Mitsu. turbo motor than to try and get 500 hp out of a Porsche motor.

Anybody who likes to mess with the ricers on the street should be aware of the high-mod. Mitsu turbo cars. With 4wd and tons of boost, just about any Porsche doesn't have a prayer against one of these cars.

I know how easy it is but it is far from reliable. I built a talon tsi to 300 hp relatively cheap however there is a lot of money to be spent to go above and beyond this. I think this guy is an awesome engineer however his choice to do this to P-car when the suspension to handle it will cost a pretty penny makes me say HMMMMM?

[CamB]

I should really qualify that I am talking the New Zealand experience - I know someone who has probably less than US$2-3k in building a 400hp Nissan FJ motor. You can get the motors and parts cheap ex Japan here. Porsche parts are $$$.

Cam

[KTL]

High flow injectors w/ ECM mods, 20g ported and clipped turbo, cams, ported head and intake, variable boost controller, etc. and you'd be knocking on 400's door. Doesn't cost so much compared to Porsche componentry. Never said it'd be reliable, just less $$$ to get to 500hp. Although those 4G63 drivetrains are pretty stout from what i've read (after you beef up the transfer case). Take a look at the heft of the bottom-end casting on the block.

I think the reliability issue comes up from running too much boost without the appropriate measures to deal with it. The ECM starts to dislike some of the upgrades and starts fuel-cutting or retards timing, so mods are made to address this situation. Not to mention the occasional use of the almighty NO2! The phrase is always coined that there's always a trade off. To get more performance, you have to give up something else. Turns out to be longevity and driveability.

BTW, getting 300 out of the Talon is mostly simple stuff. Check out any of the DSM boards to see how fast some of those fellas cars are! Any car that can spin all four tires thru second and part of third gear is pumping out some good HP. Albeit thru four not-so-large tires. But still there's four spinning, not just two spinning. There may be "no substitute for cubic inches," but alot of those ricer cars attempt to prove otherwise with some of the mods they use!!

[cegerer]

From what I understand, going from the stock 200HP to 300HP is fairly simple. 400HP is still pretty much bolt-on stuff. The 500HP this guy is talking about is a whole other ballgame. But all they seem to do is drag race these cars anyway. Why? If they're so fast and reliable, why don't we see swarms of them at Sebring, Daytona and LeMans (or the local SCCA races for that matter!) kickin the crap out of the GT3's and BMW M cars?

[Obin Robinson]

cegerer: i think it mostly has to due with the rules of the series. in fact, the motor i'm building up for my 924 won't pass tech inspection at a PCA race (but it will BARELY slide by in the GT-5S class, where it would be uncompetitive). i'm doing it for fun, and the only people out there that will pass it is HSR... yeah, stinks i can't race it in "door-to-door, prize-money compeition", but oh well.

on the other hand, i'm wondering what everyone thinks of this little project:

it's a 914 that the owner has put a subuaru flat-4 turbo motor in it. here's a quote:

"After all's said and done I have spent $3500 - $4000 on this project. I paid 1200 for the car, 300 for back registration, 200 for stereo and speakers, 200 for primer and paint, 110 for 5 synchros and tranny seal kit, 250 for rims w/ tires, plus numerous maintance and non conversion related parts. Realistically you should set aside around $1500 dollars to complete this conversion ( and alot of time ). "

and here's the documentation:
http://www.etischer.com/914xt.html


yeah, it's not legal to race, but it's still nicer than leaving the car to rot. i love seeing this sort of innovation in building up cars. it's the same sort of spirit that the earliest hot rodders had, and it's great to see it living on.

obin

[doofdog]

To get the 300 hp out of my Talon was simple stuff but wasn't all that cheap since I did it right. Bigger Injectors. 150$ Electronic Boost controller 500$ Down pipe and eaxhaust. 700$ Fuel pump. 125$ Head gasket 100$ Hefty clutch 400$ and a bunch of other change to have it all proplerly tuned. I think you could be at 300 hp a little cheaper out of the Porsche turbo and reliability not keeping you up at night.
I dont put much faith into people that Add estimated HP from what is on the box of a bolt on part, then add it to what their car had for base power. If it worked that way I am sure alot of us would have the tornado on our cars. The tranny in the DSMs is pretty tricky. the 1st to 2nd shift in the 1&2G DSM's are just like the 915. I give this Guy props for being different But I still think its Blasphemy.

[KTL]

300 from a Porsche turbo is easy alright. Pitch the factory exhaust plumbing and bolt up the B&B header setup. I'd think you'd get another 12 hp from it easy. Not cheap, but easy. Probably could save yourself half the cost of the exhaust system by upgrading the intercooler instead? Maybe go the riskier route with a boost spring? Anyway, I thought we were debating 500 hp?