911 80 euro version buying?

[911ballin]

Hi i need some kind of orientation! I friend of friend offer me this 1980 911 coupe , i noted is row for the fabric in seats! i want to know if this is reliable year? and because is euro what is the differnten in power to usa version and if is better than usa version ! the car need attention probably repaint i noted the pait in the windows stripes is coming off i don't know if euro version came with metal frames silver color and this was paint black and that paint is coming off, or if in fact euro version 80 came with the stroping of glasses in black and is fading! is this difficult to repaint?? or is better remove paint leave it metal silver???
second the ineteriko is good shape not dash cracks but driver seat is bad !! wondering what is best way to go!! keep this seat and just send driver seat to company repair it or sale seat in ebay(is this euro sports seat are expensive) and buy used set full leather in good shape?
the car has 155k kilometres is been own for 68year guys for last 25 years 6k in receipst or maintence not service in last 2 years ! i can get it for 7.5 k dollares !

[tcar]

Are you in Oregon?

Have a Porsche mechanic do a PPI for you.

The SC (78-83) are probably the most reliable 911's made.

The Euro version has more HP and higher torque than the US version.

They had the air pump (as that car does) instead of a lambda catalytic converter.

[911ballin]

ok thanks can you let me know what is better catalytic converter or air pump? not sure about function of air pump>? thats make it more reliable , is best for emissions? what is that ?
issues to look at with 80 year?
the car has interior that look bucket seats with center in fabric but weird looking!!!fabric like tiny with black white colors squares or something they are factory but not that good looking, i like better full leather ,, is that price decent? windshield is crack! how much is new windshield?

[kiwiokie]

Black trim around the windows is the original finish for a 1980 SC. Emissions is the name given to the harmful chemicals that are left over from the combustion process in the engine and exit the exhaust pipe. They are contributors to smog and therefore car manufacturers have had to find ways to reduce the amount each produces. One of the ways they have done this is by installing an air pump that injects air into the exhaust gases.

No offense intended but based on your questions you don't know much about cars let alone the flat-6 variety. You probably need to read as much as you can about Porsche's and 911's in particular before you jump in and buy one. You can lose a lot of money buying the wrong car and going to the wrong places to get it made right. You can easily throw $20,000 at a $7,500 SC and still have a car that needs more work. Be very careful.

The interior sounds like it has the pascha check cloth. Nice when it is in good condition but limited sources for replacement cloth if it is need of repair.

[911ballin]

thanks sir! well thats good to know ! i really want ot buy this car ...... the clothc is good shape just dirty it is the booster driver side that ahs 3 rips! probably a uphostry shop can replace it with vinyl kind of and make it look nice!
one thing catch my attentios is there is not cracks of dash at all, i check 3 other 911 with damages in dash!!! as you cna see engine still; have sticke rin airfilter, and looks dirty but original, non leaks i doble check not smog at strat in cool! i just wnat to make sure 80 is not year with cylinders stud broke or chain tesnioner problems or I don't know !!!!what makes euro more powerfull, bigger compresison? best intake ! if i can get it for 6.5k and put 2k in valve adjustmen new oil new sparks fix driver seat and clean it paint the windwos frames balck how much value it can gain so if i want to flip it could get 10k??

[Techne]

The tradeoffs of one year over the next and nothing compared to finding a car that is in good shape, not matter what the year. The "euro" hurts the value.

That car looks to been altered a little with the Turbo tail, Carrera nameplate (it is an SC) and paint over chrome window surrounds. These are all relatively inexpensive things done to try to make the car look more valuable. That makes me concerned about the really expensive problems these cars can have like engine, transmission etc.

Yes, the SC's can have head studs that break, and they should be upgraded to carrera chain tensioners.

Have it checked out by a Porsche mechanic, or you may be throwing your money away. Even with new seats (which can run well over 1,000 each, by the way) and painted window frames, you could still be far from $10K in value.

[Macroni]

I will buy if you don't GREAT car!

[911ballin]

so how many hp the euro 80 has? are the transmission same usa , with problem in syncro 1 and 2 ??? what is teh value of good sahpe 1980 euro less say not perfect but not junk?

[kiwiokie]

From memory ROW '80 has 188hp compared to the US model at 180hp. Same 915 transmission (not sure about final drive ratio). I would not say there is a problem with the synchro between 1st and 2nd, upshifts are fine in my car, downshifts require the car to be rolling below 10mph. I don't believe this reflects any failure of the synchro rather just the design. Regarding the value of a so-so 1980 SC it is really hard to say from the information you have posted about the car. If you have done a leakdown test and the engine did OK, the car starts fine, idles OK, accelerates cleanly, no massive oil leaks (some leaking is expected if the engine has not been rebuilt), and there is no indication of major rust issues then $7,500 is a great price. As suggested earlier you ought to get a Porsche repair shop to do a pre-purchase inspection on the car so you know what you are buying unless you have the mechanical abilities to do the checking yourself. If the engine is bad you can spend $8k to $10k on a rebuild, transmission rebuild perhaps $1,500 to $2,000, brakes and suspension are cheaper issues to solve. Interior pieces are readily available at reasonable prices. Structural rust can be very expensive and SC's will rust at this age.

[911ballin]

ok thanks will be possible to clean this car little the ineterior do tune upo and sale it for 11k or is too much money kilometers are low and please take a look at engien bay it looks original and clean ! not aftermarks ****! so maybe i will offer 7k

[dienstuhr]

You need to buy a book or two...

The Used 911 Story by Pete Zimmermann (member on Pelican).
Porsche 911 Buyers Guide by randy Leffingwell.
Porsche 911 Red Book by Patrick Paternie explains in detail the differences between USA and RoW and year-to-year changes. All of these are easily found on Amazon among other places.

And get a PPI...

Where are you from?

Cheers

d.

[DARISC]

All US SCs ('78 thru '83) had 180 hp.

The '78 & '79 ROW SCs also had 180 hp.

The '80 ROW SC had 188 hp.

The '81, '82 and '83 ROW SCs had 204 hp.

The best single performance boost are SSIs, but you have to give up the cat. My '82 ROW w/SSIs and Dansk 2 in/ 2 out makes about 220 hp.

On the car you're looking at, I'd take off the Carrera badge and put the SC badge back on if it were mine.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Techne

...That car looks to been altered a little with the Turbo tail...

I don't know about '80, but my '82 came from the factory with the turbo tail.

[911ballin]

so should i offer 5.5K for this car? it runs good not black smog , just the seat need be claen and dirver seat replace booster on right side dash clean all bottons are there new tires , paints is perfect just need polish ! how much will thias car worth! i double check odometer reads 109 kilometers!

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by kiwiokie

downshifts require the car to be rolling below 10mph.

$20 says "worn brake bands & synchros". If double-clutching doesn't make any difference, missing dog teeth as well - BTDT, got the invoices.

[911ballin]

what will be the value if i fix teh cosmetci issues of this 911 sc euro , if i can get it for 5.5k how much can be flip it for in today market?

[Laneco]

I'm three for three with broken headstuds on 3.0 engines. Love the engines and the cars, it's just that by the time I can afford them, they all have broken head studs. Are you real mechanically inclined? Like REAL inclined? If the answer is "no" then you need to stay away from an "affordable" 911. Let me show you how the math works:

1. Buy the car for $5,500 as you stated above.
2. Freshen the transaxle and replace the clutch - $2,000 easy
3. Dang, look at those broken head studs - $5,000 easy (because you always
wind up doing more especially if you paying someone else to do it...) Now this
assumes that all the barrels are good, etc.
4. Proper repaint (windows out, new seals) - in Oregon, at least $ 3,000
5. Interior work - unless it's vinyl now, don't patch with vinyl - use leather. Maybe
$1,000?

Okay, so now you have spent $16,500 if my math is correct. This is just a rough estimate and assumes there is no old accident damage, no brake issues, no suspension issues and that the tire are all 100% good... You will be damn lucky to sell it for anywhere near that amount in this economy.

Buy it and drive it? Fix it up over the years yourself and keep it? That's what alot of us are doing right now. This is NOT a market for flippin a car, especially one that could have hugely expensive issues for someone who is not a DYI'er.

I don't mean to sound negative, this could be a GREAT car, but if you aren't really good at DIY, spend the money to rule out $$$$$ issues or you will be financially emasculated... Old 911's are not cars for the faint of heart or light of wallet.

angela

[911ballin]

ok thanks but the car runs great clutch is firm and no noise grab right there , not smog at start not oil leaks AT ALL, I HAVE 7K IN RECEIPTS FROM 08 09 VALVE ADJUST IN 09 AND OIL RETURN TUBES REPLACE , PAINT IS DECENT NOR RUST OR DENTS! the only is that window frames are coming off the black i was thinking painting myseft with black falt paint! carefully real carefully pay professional detailer , and shop to polish the paint, replace the booster with real leather , and flip it!! dash is good carpets good door pockets door perfect , a/c work and is cool! how much will realistically I cna get 11k 12k

[Oh Haha]

Maybe you should take the cash and invest in some typing/English classes.



I don't think you can put an exact number on what you can get when you "flip" it.

There are very nice 911s for sale right now on Pelican that are not getting close to what the seller would like.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by 911ballin

...how much will realistically I cna get 11k 12k

I dunno what your financial circumstances are but, in today's economy, flipping old Porsches for profit (I guess that's redundant) strikes me as a bit...risky?